Lets fe face the facts, they are here to stay at cumberland so deal with it. you have 3 other starters that dont get any credit and they should, they work their butts off and get no respect, so lets give them a little credit. the region is down this year and cumberland should go to rupp, just think of how good they would be if they had caldwell and rymer from cawood, we could pack our bags for rupp now.