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Ferguson is a great high school basketball player, I just can't see him playing D1. I wasn't sure, but after seeing him play last night against West and not being able to take Oney off the dribble has made my opinion easy now.

You are correct, I also so Ferguson not take take Oney off the dribble once.I also saw other Elliott guards try to take their man off the dribble and not make it either, with some falling to the ground and losing the ball. I also saw all those same guards at other times take their man off the dribble and score or draw the foul. That is just part of the game. I have saw Michael Jordan stopped by his defender and have to kick back out. Elliott has some of the best guards I have saw in a long time around here. Surely you wouldn't pass judgement on a kid just because he didnt take someone off the dribble on one play,unless there was another motive of course. By the way, West Carter has some dandy guards also.

Honestly, the whole out of state thing is kind of old. You can't compare out of state teams to teams in Kentucky, when we'll never know how they'd match up since they don't play. Obviously the EC fans are going to have a biased opinion to make their wins look better. Beating teams from out of state is nice, but doesn't help you win a state title. Also, the only RANKED team that EC played they lost to, so that isn't really helping the argument. A L is a L no matter how you look at it.

 

Holmes may very well not be "clear cut" #1 in your mind, but they are definetly more deserving of the #1 ranking than any other team in the state. Their record and schedule speaks for itself.

 

I find it comical how after Holmes wipes the floor with BS, people finally give them the credit they deserve but a silly computer ranking puts a different team at #1 and those same people argue that EC should be #1. :confused::lol:

 

Again, rankings are nice, but the only one that matters is the one after March 21st.

If march is the only one that matters then there is no need for you to be tore all to pieces because the computer dont know what its talking about and others have their own opinion of who is better. More than one ranking service possibly even three has Elliott #1. I guess I am just going to take their word for it because "it doesnt really matter anyway":thumb:

Good to see some of the ref's in the 16th start calling the foul on the defender backing under the three point shooter almost before they get the shot off. Not only is it a foul, it could be very dangerous to the shooter. I saw this all last year with hardly any calls, but this year some are noticing it and calling it. I also noticed the defender hardly ever questions the call, which would almost lead one to think the Coach is telling them to do so.

So have I, over the course of 20-plus years, and I suspect I've watched a heck of a lot more high-level OVC basketball than you have.

 

If any high school team in Kentucky had three potential "superstars in the OVC," they would probably roll to the state title.

 

You are essentially saying that Elliott has three high-level Division I players. I've seen Elliott play and I don't see it, although they are a legitimate top-10 team in the state.

High level D1 players go to North Carolina, Florida, Duke, Memphis etc. There are lots of extremely good players in OVC that wouldn't come off bench for High Level D1. OVC is not high level. IMO( and mine is as right to me as everyone else's is to them) Landon Slone would be a star in the OVC. I think Wiremans point is that The three from EC could play there and excel and I agree 100%.

Oh! By the way I have watched 30+ years of OVC B-Ball

Most of the people complaining are from Northern or Central Ky for some reason.

Didn't Hood drop 30 on EC...? I believe it was close.

No! He had 23 on 7-22 shooting, and played nearly the whole game.

Anyone have the minutes played by Elliott starters ?

Just to humour you, I know C Knipp and the twins only played right at three quarters and Ferguson played 2-1/2. Does that help you out any???? I can give you Coach Mays phone number if it would help.

Everyone other than Elliott fans are talking like Elliott has already peaked because they dont have Football, but I can promise you from watching both scrimmages they are not in top form yet. They are still pretty good but are not firing on all cylinders yet. Can't wait until Friday.

Talked to Jonathan's dad just a few minutes ago. He is gone for x-rays as we speak??

That sure blows about 50% or better of the poster's on here knowledge to shame. Because ton's of them said that Faulkner's or Ferguson could not play D1 ball. Well there's one down and two to go. Congrats Evan!

I wouldn't worry much about what people think of your opinion if I were you. It is yours and you are entitled to it. Everyone does not see things alike. You definately should not get jumped on to for your thoughts about a player whoever it may be. I mean this is an discussion board based on everyones opinion.

No! But they are not giving him the credit he deserves and RA09 is taking a stand for him. As an ex coach it's been my understanding that scoring is a very very big part of the game. The team who has the most points at the end wins. Anyway Ferguson is not just a scorer as everyone projects him to be. I have followed his career( as I have several other's around the state)

and according to news, internet reportings, etc he also averaged 2steals,

3asst, and 6 rebounds per game. This thread is about wings and it is a wings

job to score and noone in the state up to this point does that as well as Ferguson has during his high school games. Throw in his rebounds, assist, and steals, and you have a complete

player with more heart and grit than most of those mentioned over him.

Very well said.:ylsuper:

I did not see where anyone said Ferguson was the best wing in the state, they were arguing that he was "one of "the best wings in the state. And I agree with them.

Ferguson and the Faulkners need to keep doing what they have been doing(being winners) and get a D1 scholarship(according to Fergusons, all three are being recruited by D1's) and zip all the naysayers shut. Ill say one thing though YNOT, they have all three did a lot more than a couple of the highly ranked superstars that were in their region. You know you can talk a lot of talk and one guy can say so and so is best in my opinion and so on and so forth, but a person is known by the fruits of their labors and those three kids have done nothing else but work a lot, play alot, and provide leadership and wins for whatever team they were playing for since they were in 7th grade. They are all three top players in the state IN MY OPINION.

From the games I have saw this summer, Ferguson and the Faulkner twin's are the top three players in the 16th region.

Without a doubt.

They will get eligible. Whatever it take's. Who cares if they do. But everyone and I mean EVERYONE knows they went there for basketball. So it would be nice if everyone went completely honest and admitted that because it is true,AND pray and hope they get eligible. Who cares if they get to play at Scott Co. They need to play somewhere so it might as well be Scott Co.

Ninety six players there.

I don't see how you guys can argue about these kid's. They are good friend's with each other, and their stats are almost mirror's of one another. Stats tell all you need to know and theirs are all about the same. None of them averages over 1-2 TO's a game, they all average good assist numbers for their position, and they all three have excellant FG% which is a sign that none of them are forcing too many shots so I would have to say they all have good basketball IQ's and you take any of the threeoff the team and it is damaged pretty bad.

Your stats prove my point. Ethan, more rebounds, more assists, over half the points with less than half the shots. Evan's numbers pretty much equal in points and assists, 7 less shots for 8 ppg less avg.

What I proved was that you made a couple incorrect statements or whatever one might want to call them in your previous post.

What my stats proved was that taking the same amount of shots,they wouldnt out score him by 5-7.

Both of them dont lead him in rebounds either(which you stated)only one of them does(by 1.4) There is not enough difference in any of the three's rebounds to matter, and as I stated before the point guard should be a few assists ahead.

I also agree with Know It All that if they drew Fergusons defender's their numbers would be quite different. They are all three great players, but being a big fan of the Ferguson kid I am just defending him. YOu could have said Faulkners are the stud's of Elliott without dragging Ferguson's name into it and trying to down his play.

The studs from Elliott are the Faulkners....Ferguson is a fine player, but he forces a lot of shots. Give either Faulkner his number of shots, they out average him by 5 to 6 a game. Plus both already out rebound and out assist him.

The stud from Elliott is Ferguson.....the Faulkners are nice players.

Ferguson avgs, 18.9 shots per game(46%) 723pts for 24.9ppg

Evan shoots 12.0 shots per game(49.5%) 485pts for 16.7ppg

Ethan shoots 9.6 shots per game(51%) 454pts for 15.7ppg

Give them those extra 7(ev) 9(eth) shots if they could get them with Ferguson's defender on them and assuming they hit 1/2 of them their averages would be about equal. If % were a little less because of better defender average would be a little less.

You have to take into consideration that they probably wouldnt shoot those %'s if they drew the other teams best defender night in and night out like Ferguson does.

When playing top teams like Cov. Cath and Mason, Ferguson(up to this point) has still got his normal numbers no one else on the team has.

Rebound's- Ethan 6.7 Ferguson 5.3 Evan 4.6

Assist- Ethan 6.7 Evan 2.5 Ferguson 2.4

Only big difference in assist and rebounds were in assist by Ethan who is as you know the Point Guard, who definately should lead in assist.

Hopefully the rams will recover and be ready for a run into the region.

Ferg has a much quicker 1st step & much more overall quickness than Ervin Stepp had but still Stepp was the better shooter & ball handler.

IMO Ervin Stepp would not have scored 10 pts on Darius Miller. He shot a set shot and imo would not have got hardly any looks with Miller on him. I am not so sure he was a better shooter from looking at Fergusons percentage's, but he did shoot a lot more than Ferguson. I see where people post Ferg and others Ferguson, which is his real name?

Where are the offers from?

Don't know nothing about his offer's, but what does offers have to do with whether or not you played really well against top high school teams in your state? From what I can read and people I've talked to across the state this kid is a player. If the numbers posted above on those teams are correct he can definately get the job done. I know of several players in the past who did not have early offers, but before they graduated high school they signed

with D1 school's. If you know anything about high school basketball, you know this is true.

I would take GRC, Montgomery, and CCHS to beat Elliot...

 

Its not like it was a 10 point game, it was an absolute, "We're a lot better than you", blowout...

Don't know why you guy's keep hashing it. It's done been made plain Mason is by far superior and ...IF.... Elliott was to get lucky and get out of the 16th

Mason doesn't have a thing to worry about. Personally I think Elliott is......

fa..........lling

Very well said, and I totally agree with you. He needs to improve on ball handling next year, but I think he has a quick first step, but may force the issue a little to much at times. He can shoot the lights out of it and for those of you that saw him for the first time tonight, he shoots it a lot better without a 6'7" D-1 signee in his face all night.[/QUOTE]

 

Which is what he would see all night at a major D-1 school??

 

I agree, but I think he proved tonight he can get the job done even with the 6'7" D-1 signee in his face.

Very well said, and I totally agree with you. He needs to improve on ball handling next year, but I think he has a quick first step, but may force the issue a little to much at times. He can shoot the lights out of it and for those of you that saw him for the first time tonight, he shoots it a lot better without a 6'7" D-1 signee in his face all night.

His ballhandling skills looked fine to me. I saw on an internet site where he averages 1 TO per game, so they are not to bad. In the few time's I have watched him not sure I have saw him shoot better than 6-13 from three. That is smokin'.