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^ yes sir... its all fun and games until someone breaks out the #'s.

Tubby earned all of those numbers. For those who defend him... its just like if we get a D- on a school paper... we earned it. The teacher didn't give it to us. Tubby controlled his own destiny at UK. The one number I forgot to put in is that he was one of the HIGHEST paid coaches at at UK as well, for often lack luster seasons. If pay 30K for a Lexus, it better not have the features of a Hyaundai.

Dont we already have an Eric Henderson?

True enough.

I had a CovCath kid do it to me years ago.. it happens more than you think. Ever happen to you RP?

AP will be on the cover of Madden (the curse continues) next year.

I dont like them giving it to a rookie. I dont think they should.

It sure looked as if he did....though we'll never know. Pat White said he did, and he has never shown any reason to lie, IMO.....Preston should be disciplined, IMO.

He was disciplined when White abused him on the last run of the game.

If it were just today, I'd agree with you. The Ravens are tough to run on. The problem is, he's been doing it this entire year (I know, he's been hurt), and the last couple weeks of last year. I really think if Irons or Perry were healthy Rudi wouldn't be seeing the field at all this year.

You might be right but its hard to judge with his injury. Lets judge him the back half of the year and make a decision.

It's the same excuse for him every week. He never has "room to run." It's because he's too slow and not physical enough. And, dare I say, washed up.

Obviously you didnt watch the game.

^Rudi hasn't done anything dating back to the end of last year....He's done.

Go back and watch the game today and tell me how much room he had to work with. At least be fair thats all im saying.

Aint it great how you can throw ONLY CERTAIN stats around to ONLY show one side of the story....:sleep:

You mean the stats that Tubby lovers dont wanna read about.... The numbers dont lie...

Everyone has said that your not the only one that can see it. It pretty obvious how talented he is. Not trying to knock you just agreeing. He is just to dumb to realize it right now or he could make a lot of money some day in the NFL.

Your friend OR never agreed with me. Maybe he is seeing the light now. He is the real deal. Thats why they wont cut him... with Chad and TJ approaching early 30's.

I could get more yards than Rudi did.

No offense ive never seen you play... but Rudi had nowhere to go today. Combination of poor blocking from our injured/back up O Line and a nice job by the Ravens front.

I think the Ravens are collapsing.....well its kinda obvious. Age is catching up on both sides of the ball.

How long have I said Henry is the most talented receiver...

If this kid could keep his head on straight he is pro bowl materail each year.

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Won/Loss record:

Probation - 36-20 (64.29%)

Past 2 yrs - 38-20 (65.52%)

SEC record:

Probation - 24-12 (66.67%)

Past 2 yrs - 17-13 (56.67%)

Wins against ranked opponents:

Probation - 5-6 (45.45%)

Past 2 yrs - 3-12 (20.00%)

--Outside of probation, this will mark the first time we have finished back to back seasons unranked since 1959-1961 (46 years).

--Already the most losses over a two year period (outside of probation era) in the history of our school.

Keeping these in mind, which way would a trend line point, up or down?

Percentage of games ranked in top 5:

Tubby 16%

Pitino 59% (53% if you include probation year)

Number of games in top 5:

Tubby in 326 games ranked 54 games in top 5

Pitino in 269 games ranked 142 games in top 5

Number of Home losses:

Tubby 19

Pitino 5 (7 if you include probation year)

10+ loss seasons:

Tubby 4 (in 7 years - soon to be 5 in 8 )

Pitino 0 (1 if you include the probation year)

Average number of losses per year:

Tubby 7.9 (about to push that up over 8 )

Pitino 4.8(throwing out the 1st year)

Games played as #1 ranking: Pitino 10 Tubby 4

Games played as #2 ranking: Pitino 44 Tubby 14

Games played as #3 ranking: Pitino 33 Tubby 10

Games played as #4 ranking: Pitino 18 Tubby 15

Games played as #5 ranking: Pitino 37 Tubby 11

Total games with top 5 ranking: Pitino 142 Tubby 54

Team Turmoils:

Tubby 2

Pitino 0

Transfers out of the Program:

Tubby 14

Pitino 7

NBA 1st round draft picks:

Tubby 2

Pitino 10

Rick Pitino's 1st year 14-14 probation team averaged more than 10 ppg than ANY Tubby Smith team except 2. It averaged 8.9 ppg more than those 2 teams.

Rick Pitino - Points per Game

1989-90 88.82

1990-91 85.89

1991-92 85.72

1992-93 87.50

1993-94 86.88

1994-95 87.39

1995-96 91.44

1996-97 83.13

Tubby Smith takes over

1997-98 80.08

1998-99 75.41

1999-00 69.09

2000-01 79.79

2001-02 76.88

2002-03 77.28

2003-04 73.91

2004-05 73.62

2005-06 70.77

2006-07 72.32

Final Fours

Pitino 5 (3 at Kentucky)

Tubby 1

Championship games

Pitino 2

Tubby 1

NCAA tournament

Pitino 22-5 (.783) (at Kentucky)

Tubby is 23-8 (.663) (at Kentucky)

*Pitino beat 11 teams seeded 5th or higher in 6 NCAA Tournaments.

*Tubby has beaten 4 teams seeded 5th or higher in 9 NCAA Tournaments.

*Tubby has beaten just one team seeded 5th or higher since his first season at Kentucky.

* fall, 2003 - top PFs begin picking other schools over UK as UK has the PF spot wide open. PFs who end up not picking UK in this recruiting cycle are Hansbrough, Echefu, Leo "Cry me a river" Criswell, Barber, Brown, and many others. All of these players had UK on their top spot at one point or another but UK failed to bring all of them in.

* winter, 2005 - Joe Crawford tries to leave team but UK refuses to grant him his release.

* spring, 2005 - Kalenna Azubuike, after Smith says that he will not hire an agent, does exactly that four days later (he is not drafted).

* spring, 2005 - Randolph Morris refuses to call Smith as he enters the draft (he is not drafted). His parents cite the fact that Tubby did not develop their son properly.

* fall, 2005 - with the PF spot wide open for the second straight year of recruiting, Brandan Wright, Thadd Young, Deon Thompson, Kevin Durant and others all pick other schools with top PF talent already in place (with the exception of G-Tech and Young).

* winter, 2005 - Ramel Bradley seems hesitant to say whether he is content at UK.

* winter, 2005 - Rajon Rondo is rumored to be at odds with Smith and his team as he says, "There's some egos."

* Feb. 2006 - a player that nobody had in their Top 150 recruits (who was given a scholarship very early by Tubby) transfers from UK - Adam Williams.

* May 2006, JUCO transfer Simms leaves UK after one year.

* Summer 2006. Tyrone Nash. A player that was being recruited by the likes of Seton Hall before UK stepped in and offered a scholarship. Nash responds "thanks, but no thanks UK I think I'll go to prep school for a year and get a better offer after that". Obviously not his exact words but why else would he turn down a scholarship from UK to go to a prep school???

also, some of Smith's best players picked UK after their preferred schools screwed them. Prince loved UCLA but the Bruins screwed his older brother. Rondo loved Louisville but Sebastian Telfair was there. Hayes wanted Kansas and Roy Williams but Kansas put him on hold for Josh Childress.

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Kentucky is 1-7 vs. teams ranked in the AP top 10 when they played them over the last three years. The only win was over a #4 Louisville team in 2005 that eventually failed to make the NCAA tournament. In contrast Kentucky was 8-3 vs. top 10 teams during the first two years that Tubby was the coach in 1997-98 and 98-99. (0-2 in 2004-05, 1-2 in 2005-06, 0-3 in 2006-07).

Kentucky is 8-15 vs. top 25 AP ranked opponents over the past three seasons including 0-6 this season. (4-3 in 2004-05, 4-6 in 2005-06, 0-6 in 2006-07).

Kentucky is 1-6 vs. teams ranked in the AP top 20 in the NCAA tournament since the championship season of 1997-98. Again in contrast, Kentucky beat 4 top 20 teams to win the championship in 1998.

7 out of 12 of Tubby's top 30-ranked recruits (Carruth, Parker, Stone, Allison, Crawford, Morris, and Azubuike) he has brought to Lexington have

A. Openly questioned the program.

B. Ignored Smith's advice to skip the draft even to the point of not being selected.

C. attempted to transfer.

OR.....

D. transferred outright.

Yeah, but Browns fans saw what happened last time we took a "franchise" qb but did not have a line. You absolutely must build a line first and foremost. No exceptions. How do you think Aikman and Smith would have done without a good line blocking for them?

Thats a valid argument, I guess you hope they draft a few in later rounds and sign some in free agency.

When they made their first pick they had no idea Quinn would fall into their laps though, but I see what you're saying.

You are also very right..... heck they did of good job of at least getting Quinn.

I think the only reason they didnt take AP was cause of the collarbone.

Sure it will be, but you go with your biggest need at the moment. As you said they signed Lewis for this year, and now that they have a solid O-line, you worry about the RB. You may not find another Peterson, but with a solid line you can get great production out of just a good back.

I just look at it like.... Peterson might be an Emmitt Smith and Quinn... IF HE PROVES himself.... might be an Aikman... they had the chance to get them on the same team... I woldnt have passed on that.

Thanks to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS3 has a lot of games out now.... COD 4 on PS3 is the game of the year..... Assasians Creed will be on PS3 also.

I have heard a lot of UNconfirmed units that XBOX may go software like Sega did.

For the record when the Wii goes to $199 I will get one... it is great to have for hosting parties!

What they needed was a Left Tackle. It was their most glaring need, and they went out and filled it with a guy who I expect to make many many Pro Bowls. You can't ask for them to do any better.

No I understand what your saying but they signed Jamal Lewis to a 1 year deal.... you dont think a RB is going to be addressed soon?

If anything US Bengal fans are thanking Cleveland.... he might rush for 400 yards against us.. twice in a year!

What they needed was a Left Tackle. It was their most glaring need, and they went out and filled it with a guy who I expect to make many many Pro Bowls. You can't ask for them to do any better.

No I understand what your saying but they signed Jamal Lewis to a 1 year deal.... you dont think a RB is going to be addressed soon?

You can't just go out and find a guy who will be a mainstay of your offensive line for a long time. Thomas appears to be that kind of guy.

 

Peterson is an amazing talent, but he was simply not what the Browns needed.

Certainly Jamal Lewis wasnt what they needed.......of course any RB can get hurt at any time but if he stays healthy he will continue to put LT and LJ and whoever else to shame.

You can find a LT.... you can't find an AP each draft.

Peterson is great, but Joe Thomas was the right pick there. I thought he was talking about with the Quinn pick.

Peterson is the TOP pick in all fantasy drafts next year... as of right now.

If only they had taken Peterson........