Gretchen Stephenson

Campbell County 3 vs. George Rogers Clark 0 10th Region

(25-17, 25-12, 25-16)

Baffling to me that there is no press coverage of this event. Unless I missed it. If I did, can someone post links?

NDA won Frosh, JV and Varsity (3-1)

Thanks for posting. Did anyone who is not a club player try out?

Yes there were often girls who only played middle school ball come out for the team. The fall sports at NDA have freshman “sign up” for tryouts at the spring Open House. They were all put on an email distribution list and contacted as a group about summer open gyms and tryouts. We did not go through the list and determine who played club and who didn’t.

If I am the AD, that volleyball coach gets a tongue lashing. If the coach doesn't agree to let the girl try out, the coach is fired. The club volleyball scam would not happen if I were AD. Was NDA's AD made aware? What was the response?

There is so much misinformation on this board. I was on volleyball

coaching staff at NDA five years ago. Everyone who wanted to tryout got to tryout. Not one person was ever turned away.

I’m not sure what they would do with a freakishly tall girl, but our friend’s daughter was told she couldn’t try out because she didn’t play club. Mom was furious. She said cut her if she isn’t good enough but everyone should have a chance. This was about five years ago.

I was on the volleyball coaching staff five years ago and I promise you no one was ever turned away from tryouts at NDA. We had girls come out for the team who couldn’t even serve over hand so they obviously had only ever played middle school ball. Everyone gets a fair shot and the best are chosen regardless of club experience and/or club affiliation.

Having coached volleyball at NDA and having two daughters more recently go thru the volleyball program, I can tell you the volleyball coaches do not care one bit if girls play other sports at NDA. Most NDA volleyball players play club because they know to “make the team” they need to play volleyball year round. They also have goals of playing in college and that happens from club exposure, not high school. In the past four graduating classes, almost all the players could have or did go on to play in college.

I know for a fact the past two head volleyball coaches never said anything to athletes who played more than one sport. Prior to that, Bob Wood and Kim Gunning before him, actively encouraged multiple sport athletes.

I don’t know anything about the basketball program at NDA but did want to add my two cents about volleyball since it is mentioned several times.

Not accurate information regarding NDA region 9 titles won in a row.

Wanted to give everyone an update since you were all so helpful and this seems to be a somewhat common injusry. After 5 weeks of intense rehab with Chris Coleman, two cortisone shots and treatment with Andy Shetterly (awesome guy for young athletes), Lainey was still in significant pain. Her labrum tear is directly impacting her bicep. The tear continually irritates the bicep where it inserts into the shoulder, causing inflammation and subsequent pain. Dr. Greiwe has advised her to have a procedure called Biceps Tedonisis - remove the head of the bicep from the shoulder and reattach it to the humerus. This is a 30 minute procedure and should give her immediate relief. He will also "clean up" the edges of the tear and any scar tissue. She is having this done tomorrow and will be in a sling for 4 weeks with total rehab of 4 months. It's an unfortunate turn of events but no fault of the Doctor, PT, or Lainey. I truly believe the PT would have worked had the tear not been located where it was. If all goes well...she will return to the court with her Panda teammates by mid September. Thanks again to everyone for their info and support. I will post an update as things progress.

I knew I had to leave for the Pandas to win!! Thx for the update. I pulled over to read them.

Thanks everyone for the great advice and for sharing your stories. Lainey and I went to Dr. Greiwe yesterday and his evaluation was the same as Dr. Kremcheck. He said surgery to repair the labrum would be a mistake in this case. He said they are trending towards not repairing labral tears in volleyball players. He said her pain is not from the labrum but from the biceps rubbing on the jagged edge of the tear. He said they may consider smoothing that edge if the irritation continues. He gave her a "steroid" shot into the shoulder and said that will "calm" the inflammation.

We are consulting with Dr. Steine today regarding a procedure where he will harvest Lainey's stem cells and platelets and inject them into the shoulder. This should speed healing. Dr. Greiwe's opinion was that this procedure doesn't help much for labral tears (not enough blood circulation). We have decided to do the consult anyway (Dr. Steine works directly with Dr. Kremcheck at Beacon).

Lainey hasn't decided which doctor will continue her care. She loves the PT at Beacon. We are meeting with the "overhead sports guy" at St. E Sports Medicine (Chris Coleman) on Monday. I think she will decide on the doctor based on the PT which makes sense because the PT will be largely responsible for her return. Does anyone have good or not so good experiences with Chris Coleman?

Conclusion...we are very hopeful she will be ready to go by August 1. Her college coach is encouraged by all of this and very supportive. NKYVC (vball club) has been awesome in offering resources and support and her coaches at NDA have been open and concerned as well. Lots of good people in our lives. Thank you again for the advice and support.

My son is a baseball player and has suffered a torn labrum in his right (throwing) shoulder two years ago and another one in his left playing football this last fall. Dr. Greiwe was his surgeon for both. The first one was in his throwing shoulder so we were advised to do rehab over surgery. He has recovered fine but I do think he lost velocity because of the injury. It was about 8 months before he really was mentally ready to throw hard again. The last injury was in his left and we did get surgery. It healed pretty quick and after a few months he was swinging the bat without issue. In fact, he states his shoulder feels much stronger than before the injury.

To sum up, I would trust the doctor since they deal with these all the time.

Thanks for the feedback. Interesting that your son tried both approaches. We see Dr. Greiwe on Tuesday so I am encouraged to hear he is open to both the idea of surgery and rehab only. Sorry for your son but glad he is back on the field.

My son tore his last year in baseball game, as well as a partial rotator cuff tear. He had surgery end of may last year and is still looking to get the full strength back. He is playing ball again but you can tell in some of his throws the strength is not 100%

 

We did the surgery rather than rehab, for a couple reasons. First recommendation of doctor, trainer, etc. Secondly others who we talked to who went the therapy route ended up either hurting it again or never recovering fully. Not all of course, but enough that we said lets try and fix it 100%

 

With my son, the Doc treated him as a pitcher so the sutures/anchors were not as tight, which also leads to a longer recovery time.

 

I am trying to remember what type of tear they called his, but it was not a slap tear. I am sorry to say but from what I have heard slap tears are much harder to come back from via either therapy or surgery. One question - have you asked the trainers and coaches at the college? My guess is that they would have been thru this unfortunately with others

 

I am very sorry to hear about your daughter and would not wish the injury on anyone. Wishing you and her the best!

Thankfully, the rest of her shoulder is in great shape. It has never dislocated, her biceps tendon and rotator cuff are not involved. It is truly isolated to her labrum.

Did your son have a Bankhsrt Tear?

We have talked to WSU re surgery and they were supportive as they have had a few vball players who have gone thru it. Since we got the rehab only option, I emailed them (yesterday) but no reply. My daughter talks to them every Sunday so we will ask them tomorrow. Dr K is the team Dr for WSU baseball team and said he has had some baseball players from there rehab only, all with success. I haven't found any volleyball players who even tried this option.

I am sorry for your son as well. These kids play hard, harder and longer than we did that's for sure. I hate they have to go through any of this. My other daughter tore her ACL playing softball in 9th region final a couple years ago. Had to sit out NDA trip to State. She was a junior as wel. Surgery and rehab and was back for every game of her senior year. Hard to watch her go through it.

What are causing these injuries? I have heard of at least 5 or 6 kids hurting or tearing their labrum.

My daughter dove for a ball and, with an outstretched arm, landed on the hardwood. We thought it was just hypertended. She took a week

Off from overhead motions, rehabbed a little, iced and has just been playing with it. When WSU asked about her serve being off from last club season and the pain was getting worse as club progressed we got the MRI and official

diagnosis.

I know a baseball player who tore his sliding back to first base after the pitcher tried to pick him off.

My daughter is a volleyball player and tore her labrum. She has a SLAP tear (Type 1) that will require 2 anchors to repair. We got a second opinion from Dr. Kremchek. He is recommending intense rehab, no playing during that time and claims if she is dedicated and works hard, the labrum will heal on its own. The rehab is directed at her back, scapular muscles and core. She has imbalances in her strength that, when addressed, will take the strain off the front of her shoulder.

My question - has anyone's kid been thru this type of treatment for a torn labrum? What were the results? There is not a lot of research out there on this. I think holding off on surgery is always a good idea but her senior season looms about 4 months away and she would like to play some of her last season at NDA.

She has a full ride to Wright State and that is our priority but we all know how kids feel about their senior seasons.

Anyway, any and all educated, experiences opinions are appreciated. Thanks.

Labrum surgery comes with a long, difficult recovery/rehab. I tore my labrum in my early 30's and opted for therapy over rehab. It took me about a year to get back to full strength (I wasn't a diligent as I should have been, and it was my non dominant shoulder). As others have said, it's hard to argue with Dr. Kremcheck, and labrum surgery is so invasive, I'd opt for therapy first if it were my kid.

I have heard the recovery is tough and even more difficult the older you are older

Dr. K said her shoulder looks excellent, rotator cuff is great, biceps tendon is not impacted at all. I only question because it seems like the uncommon recommendation not only locally but also across the nation - very lfew studies done.

Labrum tears are very difficult to diagnose because of how deep it sits in the shoulder joint. Most require a dye injected MRI to diagnose, and even then it is still difficult. Did your daughter get a regular MRI or a dye injected one? In either case, I would definitely err on the side of caution with going the surgery route for a 16-17 year old. Just my two cents, but if it were my child, I think I would choose the more conservative route from a very well respected doctor such as Dr. Kremcheck.

Yes she had an MRI with dye (arthrogram i think they called it). And I agree Dr. Kremchek opinion should be "weighted" because of his experience and expertise.

My won suffered a labrum injury playing MS football years ago. The first doctor we saw immediately said "surgery" and we were lined up for surgery. In talking to a friend who was tight with Dr Kremcheck he said my son should get a second opinion. We did. Dr K told us what he told you. He hates to do surgery if he's not 100% sure. When I asked why the other doc would recommend surgery he said in cases with the labrum every doctor sees the scan differently. Therapy worked out for my son.

 

Obviously, no two injuries are exactly the same so take this FWIW.

Clyde - can you remember if your son had a SLAP tear? What level? How long did he have to rehab before being a full release to play was given?

The first opinion was surgery with two anchors/sutures to repair. Estimates recovery time 4-5 months. Most athletes her age and level get back to about 80% of their pre injury level of play.

I am not sure where to post this but since a torn labrum is a common baseball injury, I thought I would start here.

My daughter is a volleyball player and tore her labrum. She has a SLAP tear (Type 1) that will require 2 anchors to repair. We got a second opinion from Dr. Kremchek. He is recommending intense rehab for 4-6 weeks, no playing during that time and claims if she is dedicated and works hard, the labrum will heal on its own. The rehab is directed at her back, scapular muscles and core. She has imbalances in her strength that, when addressed, will take the strain off the front of her shoulder.

My question - has anyone's kid been thru this type of treatment for a torn labrum? What were the results? There is not a lot of research out there on this. I think holding off on surgery is always a good idea but her senior season looms about 4 months away and she would like to play some of her last season at NDA.

She has a full ride to Wright State and that is our priority but we all know how kids feel about their senior seasons.

Anyway, any and all educated, experiences opinions are appreciated. Thanks.

I have been a long time lurker on this site. It continually amazes and baffles me that grown adults sit around and type about young people and members of our community. The negativity and criticism leveled by those on this board at fellow citizens in our community (either about their play, their effort, their attitudes, their decisions, etc) is beyond the pale. The criticism of coaches who basically volunteer their time only to be laid out on forums like this by people who hide behind screen names, makes me fully understand why all the good coaches are gone, in part because of people like you. Not to mention the young athletes who read this site.

Kelly Schmahl is a member of our community. Yes, she made a serious, agregious mistake and probably committed a crime. She is most certainly dealing with demons that none of us will ever understand. Instead of being thankful that you nor your loved ones have to deal with these issues, you choose to completely demoralize this young person and her family. What she did by faking this awful disease is a cry for help, in my opinion. I am certain that she is finally getting it. It is none of anyone's business besides her family, the police and those she defrauded (and I am pretty sure beside paNDA and maybe, InItToWinIt) that is probably none of you. I have known Kelly and her family since she was in middle school. They are honest people and I am certain knew nothing of this scam by Kelly.

I am continually amazed that people will sit behind screen names and throw daggers at people they don't know, about a situation they have only heard about on the news. Please let's just stop. Bluegrass Preps could be a great place to share good news, ask questions, and even level criticism that is not personal. However, I firmly behlieve it should not be anonymous. Step up and sign your names if you want to be a part of this.

This was not a victimless crime but what good is done by typing your hate, speculation and judgment on this message board? It helps no one. These are real people you are talking about, remember that, they may even read what you write. It is all so hurtful yet unnecessary.

Sincerely,

Gretchen Stephenson

Congratulations to Morgan Hentz and her teammates for winning the national championship and I believe Morgan was named the 12 PAC Freshman of the year. Congratulations on a successful first season Morgan!

Kathryn Plummer was PAC12 Frosh of the Year. Morgan was on the PAC12 All Frosh Team.

The following websites provide free and paid memberships:

NCSA

CaptainU

University Athelete

You can create a free profile on MaxPreps as well.

You may find it beneficial to have one paid recruiting membership because they will edit your highlights for you, provide background information on all of the colleges you are interested in and help get your daughter's information out to a variety of coaches. You can do it all on your own but it will take more time. My daughter did have a paid profile on NCSA at their middle tier. I do think it was helpful for her but we still needed to do a lot of work on our end.

 

My daughter was able to get a scholarship to an NAIA school but it took a lot of e-mails, and college visits until she found the right situation. Your daughter will need to be the one talking to the coaches but she will need your help to guide her through the process. The only girls that have it easy are the ones beting recruited by Division I schools in their 10th grade year.

 

I'm not sure if I completely agree with the above statement about sitting on the bench for a top rated team. The only way to get seen by recruiters is when you are playing so if you are on the bench you may not get recruited. However you do need to play for a club that is attending Regional and National tournaments and participating in Premier and Open events. The recruiters primarly focus their time at tournaments on teams playing in these two divisions. However, coaches may come and see your daughter if she is playing in the Club Division if you have been in contact with them and they are impressed with highlights you have sent them.

 

Some things that I learned along the way were 1) although Division III schools can't give athletic scholarships, a lot of times their academic scholarships can match the athletic/academic scholarships given by NAIA and Division II schools 2) being willing to go out of state or a little farther from home might help you be successful in obtaining a volleyball scholarship or a spot on a team 3) social media is closely monitored by college coaches and can ruin even a top recruit's chances at a scholarship 4) your daughters attitude on and off the court at tournaments matters...you never know when a college coach might be standing behind you in the food line.

"The only girls that have it easy are the ones beting recruited by Division I schools in their 10th grade year."

The above is completely untrue. I have had two daughters play D1, both "recruited" 9/10th grade, they worked their tail ends off to be in that position. Weekly phone calls to no less than 10 college coaches, editing game tape and compiling into highlights, emailing, completing questionnaires, all while playing Open level club, practice 3 times a week, private lesson once a week, tutor for school once a week and college prep classes carrying a 3.6+ GPA. The recruiting process is hard work and mentally exhausting for all involved at any level.

Another example of strong club training paying off but this time it is a public school. Kudos to Henry Clay for being the first public school in recent history (probably ever) to legitimately make it to the final by beating one of the Big Four (Mercy in this case) on the way.

How good is SHA's Paige Hammons? I don't follow volleyball religiously but it sure seems like she is very highly thought of by those who do.

I think you answered your own question.