85BearsFan

Couldn't disagree more. I'd say the vast majority of posters on this site have had a grandparent, aunt, uncle, father, mother, brother, sister, etc., die. I'd also venture that most were present when their loved one passed.

of course everyone had a loved one pass. Have you ever been there at a violent death. Changes you drastically, at least it did me.

I'd say that is probably inaccurate.

I'd say he made a credible assumption.

^Saying you are being pompous is not name calling. It's an adjective, a word used to describe your attitude towards other posters in this thread.

 

Just so I'm clear, because you're black, no one is ever allowed to consider your tone or attitude pompous without having racial undertones? Easily the stupidest thing I've seen on this site in years.

Case by case. Racism is hidden anymore, Suge. I don't call names. didn't Elder Clyde tell you about how name calling ruins a good debate. Or was that someone else. But I know you were at least a bit player. The debate shifted to mental illness.

I also don't see where spin even remotely hinted at race here...

i dont know Spindoc, but the racial aspect is mental. Former slavemasters said their former slaves were pompous after the Emancipation. There are historical documents proving this. Even Willie Lynch said beat a pompous slave in front of the rest of them, to produce fear. Maybe he used bad choice of words, but There was no need to name calling. I stirred the pot, not Elder Clizzy. I believe I was first to mention the perp having a mental illness. But Elder was throwing some meat into the pot.

And for the record I never called him racist. I was just stating what I felt he found was offensive.

I didn't either but everyone interprets things differently. I just wanted to let 85 know that Spin is cool and that it wasn't like he may have felt it was.

I respect your opinion, but I'm gonna have to disagree based on the history of the thread and his use of pompous and offensive. What was pompous and offensive.

All I simply said in every post was the dad did what I would've done, sans giving the perp a dirtnap if I could help it. Everyone on here seems to hate when an opinion doesn't fall along the populace mindset.

He called my attitude pompous. That's a bullying move. I dont need a moderator doing that, just because I induce logic into my arguments that he cannot debate. That's the stuff Elder Clyde has accused others and myself of, namecalling when you fail to make others see your point. Sorry moderator, I'm firm on this one.

And if the guy wasn't mad that a pompous, uppity Negro wasn't staying in his place then why start to name calling. Each of my posts in this thread have been consistent.

You have no idea what any of us have seen. Your pompous attitude frankly is offensive.

 

Maybe you should spend some time in prison where sex offenders are lodged. Check their files, read their psychological profiles. Then you'd understand better why they're segregated from the general population. There are some things that are taboo even amongst the most hardened thugs in our society.

 

You have no idea what some of us have seen. Next.

I'm offended a moderator would result to name calling. I paid money to join and not be called names by a so called moderator. I won an AP award in Ohio in 2005 for stories I did on prisons. Next. You are offended that a black man is not backing down or bowing to you. That what you find offensive.

When I thank God my son isn't like this, I mean that my son respects women, and that he always has. Did he THINK things? Most likely. Did he actively try to "play the game"? No. And for those of you who think I don't know my son, you are dead wrong. All "boys" or "men" aren't out to gain notches in their belts. My son isn't unique. But what IS different is that boys/men like my son had people in their lives who taught them respect for not only women, but others in general. When behavior was discovered that was not respectful, it was addressed as a serious offense. With regard to respecting women in particular, I PERSONALLY addressed an IM conversation I found that I found to be offensive to his girlfriend at the time. It's a lot harder to address that behavior in the way I did than to dismiss it as "boys will be boys" behavior. It was extraordinarily awkward and uncomfortable.

The teacher cannot lose if they don't play the game. I have no love or respect for any whom doesn't love or respect themselves. That woman teacher has no respect for anything if the energy she was sending out implied that she would sex a student, and it was so strong students bet on the energy. Teacher played the dating sex with a student game and lost. "The game is rigged. You cannot lose if you don't play." -Marla Daniels (man The Wire had some serious life lessons)

All of you kill em all types probably have never seen a man die in front of you. "Anyone who has looked unto the eyes of a dying soldier wounded in battle will think twice before starting a war." - Otto Von Bismarck

If a cat is robbing my family at gunpoint, once again if I don't have to kill I won't.

As far as killing the persons with mental illness or locking them away and destroying the key, that sounds familiar. Oh yea a guy named Adolph Hitler did that to people he thought had an incurable illness. Not at all calling you Hitler, but that was his method

Your inabilty to stay on point is disappointing. No one on here has EVER claimed the the "sole purpose of a mental illness is to defend criminal behavior."

big difference in defend and explain. Nobody is excusing or defending the perp. If you were ever standing next to a friend whom had his brains blown out you were running from the gunshots while his blood and brain fragments are falling off of you, you have an issue with people dying in front of you.

I say good for the dad, if its proven that was the case. I indeed would have killed the man as well, does not matter if he ran, or anything else, he was on your property, messing with your daughter, my right is to protect my family, self, and property, I do not care where your at or what any book said. When the drew up the constitution, I am pretty sure this was on their minds.

 

Good for you 85bearsfan I would protect your offspring as well, even though it seems you would be busy, quoting the laws, and telling the man you would only capture him for the authorities.

Thanks, elder for telling this man. I am about preserving life. Excuse me for being a little benevolent. Medically or clinically proven or not, wanting to sex little kids is a sickness. I don't advocate for killing persons with mental illness at all.

I'm not disagreeing with you, necessarily. Just acknowledging that the rap game from the music business' standpoint has changed a lot since Jerry Heller was telling Eazy E to cuss more. Back then, rap and hip-hop didn't even get airplay on "urban contemporary" stations such as WBLZ and The Wiz in Cincy, which I listened to. Nowadays a rap or hip-hop song can regularly be found topping the pop charts. With that increased profile and selling power, what are the top acts doing with the creative control those from 20 years ago may not have enjoyed?

 

To be entirely fair, those who have taken a pass on responsibility in order to cash in are no different from the same artistic v. commercial struggles that go on within other musical genres, and have been going on for years. The problem -- as unfair as it may seem -- is that when a famous white person takes a pass on doing the right thing it isn't as culturally damaging as when a famous black person does it. Michael Jordan's silence on the violence over shoes issue comes readily to mind.

MJ made it cool to sell out

Sick man with an issue.

The only cure is death.

Racism is a sickness. So the next time a white person with Autism feverishly touches my hair because he is consumed with textures, should I kill this person with a mental illness. Because black men should never allow a white person to touch their hair. Its a racist tradition for good luck. Lets indiscriminately kill all persons with a mental illness, is that what I am supposed to take from this thread. I've said several times now, I would have done the same thing as the dad, except I wouldn't have killed the guy if I could help it.

^If by "sickness that needs cured", you mean becoming the catcher in a prison battery for the rest of their life, or being sent to meet their maker, we're in agreement. If not, then that's just absurd.

Absurd how? I'm not defending the molester or the dad. I'm simply saying once the guy is subdued, no need to continue the beating. Elder is right, I am assuming the guy lost consciousness at some point. I'd like to think that is a little more likely than the dads last punch knocking the molester out and simultaneously killing the moester. If the molester lost consciousness during the scuffle, then this is a murder, or a manslaughter, only the dad can say he was temporarily insane because of what happened. Easy case to beat. But being a sociologist, I prefer to change lives as opposed to ending them. Recognize your inconsistency when you find it absurd to not kill the molester after subduing him, but Zimmerman could've gotten himself out not shot Trayvon. Yes the guy was committing a heinous crime, but I'd like to think a life could have been saved. Disagree all you guys want, not saying I wouldnt have beaten the brakes off the molester, but id like to think I wouldnt have killed the guy if I could help it either. Just not for killings in this situation.

Raise your hand if you don't agree with this.

 

No one will disagree. We all would.

I disagree. Unless he hit the guy will a one punch kill shot - a one hitter, quitter - there was no need to kill the man. I'm sure the decedant lost consciousness at some point. That's when you secure your kid, get away from the situation and call police.

The crime is heinous, and seemingly the decedant deserves what he got. But I'm not a killer and don't see the need for a human life to taken in this instance. But Southern laws are much different than up north. The guy may walk. Yes, the decedant is a sick man, but sexually assaulting anyone, much less a 4-year old is a sign of a sickness that needs cured. Jerry Sandusky is a sick man. What you all have cosigned was the death penalty for persons with a mental illness. It is what it is. I'm not for the death penalty, especially for persons with a mental illness. But most of you are consistent. You see no problem with Zimmerman killing a high school student that was accosted while he was minding his own business; and you have no issue with this dad killing a person with a mental illness.

There is some sort of SYG hearing today.

Doesn't apply to the Zimmerman/Martin case. Hearing is to essentially review the law as it is written.

If we're having a get-together at my place, there is no way for my better half to not know, which means she did it on purpose and we've probably got bigger problems than you sneaking a

 

I've been following rap and hip-hop for longer than some of the folks on this board have been alive, so I know the difference. And while the general audience themselves likely doesn't know the difference, perhaps the bigger question is how blissfully ignorant of their audience are the artists?

 

They still have some control in the content delivery department -- I'm thinking there's no Irving R. Shyster in the corner of the production room telling Jay-Z he needs a few more N-words in there to make it a hit.

The point was not if your wife knew I was there. The point was what would you prefer I do and which is appropriate.

Controversy sells. Ask Luther "Uncle Luke/Luke Skywalker" Campbell. He and the 2Live Crew were niche acts in raps until the politicians tried to ban them. So an enterprising music exec could see, be onery, angry and bring the streets language to this music and you can sell.

Chad Johnson is one colored athlete I have never rooted. This dude was prostituting himself for years, trying to get paid. But he was putting on a minstrel show with his gold teeth. A very bad example for black youths to emulate. Sure he never got into trouble, but I think his buffoonery was very reminiscent of JJ Evans from good times. Never had anything intelligent to say. F Chad. I hate him with a passion. His behavior was worse than anyone whom got arrested on the Bengals,or at least just as damaging to Cincinnati very fragile black community. As Tony Dungy said when Terrell Owens had the Monday Night Football flap with the Desperate Housewives actress, "We don't have to do those things anymore to get paid."

How old are you?

Now, now.

I can't imagine a female using that word. It's vile.

Women of my generation are some real flappers and firecrackers, elder.

I just think it's silly to be angry at someone for quoting the title of a song.

In a related story, my woman and her friends call each other the b-word and the c-word, in my presence. They do this all the time as a term if endearment. When I say b and c I don't mean bloods and crops.

I know better not to call my woman a b word or c word...at least not to her face.

Partially agree however you have to say that rap is a component of hip hop.

 

Grand Master Flash was hip hop but songs like Wheels of Steel included rapping.

 

You obviously subscribe to the KRS One theory.

The artist or performer is "rapping" because that is what they do. As far as the music, hip hop is a lifestyle. "The Message" features Melle Mel rapping per se, but the song is pure hip hop, elder because he talking about life in the NYC ghettos. "Broken glass everywhere. People ****ing on the steps you know they just don't care." "...My son said daddy I don't want to go to school because the teacher is a jerk, he must think I'm a fool." Or Kurtis Blow's song "The Breaks."

I don't use the N-word anymore. I've outgrown it. But, I thought KRS-ONE explained its use better than anyone I have heard in the past - BGP poster or black scholarly academian pundit.

Dominique is the best dunker. The guy is 6'8" tall and is a top 20-25 all-time scorer in NBA history, and yet you have never seen a video of him hitting a mid-range jumper. He is the only all-time great whose whole career is define by his dunks.