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    Question for the referees

    in KY Football (High School)

    Posted

    I didn't say the word knees was in the rule.

     

    "Great question, Understand that what I say now, has no bearing on what happened last night. That being said, if the tackler pulled the runner down by the back of the jersey, and the runner's knee's buckled, then it was in my opinion a horse collar. Remember this penatly is to protect the runner. As an official we are trying to protect players from injury.

     

    The rule is the rule.

     

    Also....someone asked about the A player scoring a touchdown then there being a horse collar.....no horse collar can be called unless it happens in the field of play. If anything can be called here it would be a dead ball personal foul. That depends on how it happened after he crossed the goal line. Same goes for a player being out of bounds then there is a horse collar tackle, dead ball personal foul if anything.

    Question for the referees

    in KY Football (High School)

    Posted

    Great question, Understand that what I say now, has no bearing on what happened last night. That being said, if the tackler pulled the runner down by the back of the jersey, and the runner's knee's buckled, then it was in my opinion a horse collar. Remember this penatly is to protect the runner. As an official we are trying to protect players from injury.

     

    Come on now....lets not interpret the wording of the rule. The rule is the rule...

     

    9-4-3: No player or nonplayer shall:

    k. Grab the inside back or side collar of the shoulder pads or jersey of the runner and subsequently pull the runner to the ground (Horse-collar tackle).

     

    Also, the rule doesn't have the word knees anywhere in it.

    Question for officials

    in KY Football (High School)

    Posted

    I know what the official rule states, but how is the Holding call enforced down field?

     

    It seems like there are many times that WR and lead blockers have their hands on the shoulders of DB's, many times grabbing cloth and no Hold is called. It seems if that same situation occurs with an o-lineman having his hands outside on the shoulder pad they call a hold. I always tought the hands had to be inside the shoulders or a hold would be called.

     

    The rule is quoted below. Simply grabbing cloth is not always a hold. Rule 9-2-1-c is a very powerful sentence....effort to restrain an opponent. Getting beat is not getting held.

     

    Rule 9 Section 2

    ART. 1 . . . An offensive player (except the runner) shall not:

    a. Use a blocking technique which is not permissible by rule. (See 2-3-2, 3)

    b. Grasp or encircle any teammate to form interlocked blocking.

    c. Use his hands, arms or legs to hook, lock, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold in

    an effort to restrain an opponent.

     

    Rule 2 Section 3

    ART. 2 . . . In blocking, a player may contact opponents with the arms or hands

    provided the technique is legal. The legal techniques are as follows:

    a. Closed or cupped hand technique:

    1. The elbows may be inside or outside the shoulders.

    2. The hands must be closed or cupped with the palms not facing the

    opponent.

    3. The forearms are extended no more than 45 degrees from the body.

    b. Open hand technique. The hand(s) shall be:

    1. In advance of the elbow.

    2. Inside the frame of the blocker’s body; the frame of the blocker’s body

    is the front of the body at or below the shoulders.

    3. Inside the frame of the opponent’s body, except when the opponent

    turns his back to the blocker during the block or after the blocker is

    committed to his charge. The frame of the opponent’s body is at the

    shoulders or below other than the back.

    4. At or below the shoulders of the blocker and the opponent, except

    when the opponent squats, ducks or submarines during the block or

    after the blocker is committed to his charge.

    5. Open, when the palm(s) are facing the frame of the opponent or when

    the forearms are extended beyond the 45 degree angle from the body.

    ART. 3 . . . The blocker’s hand(s) may not be locked nor may he swing, throw

    or flip the elbow or forearm so that it is moving faster than the blocker’s shoulders

    at the time the elbow, forearm or shoulder contacts the opponent. The

    blocker may not initiate contact with his arm or hand against an opponent above

    the opponent’s shoulder, but he may use his hand or arm to break a fall or

    maintain his balance.

    Question for officials

    in KY Football (High School)

    Posted

    Granted, we're probably not going to get a response from a member of the Rules Committee, but all of our officials are NFHS certified. If you'll notice from the title of the thread, this is a place to question officials. Please allow one of the officials to respond to the question instead of jumping to make petty quips and jabs.

     

    I am an official and I am not attempting to make petty quips and jabs. Just thought the Billy Madison quote fit the bill and would maybe lighten the mood a bit.....tough room though?

     

    As for replaying a quarter in football (if that is what I am reading correctly).....I just can't see that happening. I can't even see the possibililty of having instant replay in high school football. The technology is not available at a reasonable cost for high schools to afford.

     

    I don't know how you can remedy the problem of a missed or incorrect call in the game? We just have have to work harder to get the plays right! I do know that myself and an extremely large majority of officials that I know want to make every call correct. However, we are all human and make mistakes....and we learn from them. I seriously doubt that any crew that goes out to work a game leaves the locker room with the idea that they are going out with intentions to screw anybody.

     

    As for making a "sticky" for questions for officials....I like it! I pay and get on here quite a bit in hopes there is a rules question to answer. It will only make me a better official by doing so! It will also make fans and coaches better aware of the rules. If more people were more knowledgeable about the high school rules....I would hear, "but he is out of the pocket" a lot less often.

    Question for officials

    in KY Football (High School)

    Posted

    In the Cov Cath Dixie game, a ref thru a flag because he ran into a camera man on Dixie's sideline. Dixie scored on the play - live ball TD. The ref called the play back because the Dixie sideline had already had an issue earlier in the game.

     

    Found out the ref was suspended - should have assessed the penalty on the PAT and the TD should have counted which would have resulted in a win for Dixie.

     

    The call effected the outcome of the game and determined where and who Dixie and Cov Cath played in the playoffs. Instead of the home game that Cov Cath now gets to look forward to, Dixie has a 3 hour ride to Ashland. DIXIE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE HOME GAME AND THE EASIER OPPONENT!

     

    Why is their no ability to replay a quarter in football, or do an over time like replay, like you can replay an inning for baseball if the ref makes a call that effects the game outcome?

     

    No offense.....but.....

     

    Principal: "Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

    Question for officials:

    in KY Football (High School)

    Posted

    Any thoughts on this?

     

    If the situation happened the way you saw it, it was incorrect. Can't speak for the official that stopped the clock but we have all incorrectly stopped the clock by accident.....thinking the line to gain had been met (double stakes situation), thinking the play that just ended was 4th down, hearing a coach yell "time out" and then finding that not to be the case, etc. I am sure there was a legit reason that the official stopped it and when he or someone else on the crew realized it was wrong, they started it back up.

    :idunno:

    Question for officials:

    in KY Football (High School)

    Posted

    So you are saying that there is a 30 penalty in football? WOW I could win alot of money with this....My next question is what determines Intentional Pass Interference?

     

    In the rule book under the penalty enforcement section for Rule 7-5-10, it reads:

     

    "If the pass interference by either player is intentional,

    his team shall be penalized an additional 15 yards"

     

    Notice the word, SHALL....Probably not going to see this called very often.

    Check Out How This Team Lost a Game!!

    in KY Football (High School)

    Posted

    I believe that is only on a kickoff.

     

    NFHS Rule 6.3.1.b

     

    SECTION 3 TOUCHBACK

     

    ART. 1 . . . It is a touchback if any free kick or scrimmage kick:

     

    a. Which is not a scoring attempt or which is a grounded three-point fieldgoal

     

    attempt, breaks the plane of R’s goal line, unless R chooses a spot of

     

    first touching by K.

     

    b. Which is a three-point field-goal attempt, in flight touches a K player in R’s

    end zone, or after breaking the plane of R’s goal line is unsuccessful.

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