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Sorry guys,

I'm afraid that you will not be getting any officials to answer rules question on any public forums. Per the KHSAA, officials are not allowed to post any longer.

Hey Ref.....

 

Concerning Offensive pass interference I have a question.

 

In the case of high school offensive pass interference isn't it loss of down but at the higher levels the down is replayed?

 

I was thinking that this is still the case but I am not totally for sure?

 

If it is loss of down at the HS level and not college isn't that unfair?

Yes...it is LOD in High School but not in College.

Unfair?

In my opinion, an OPI foul carries the most severe penalty in high school football. 15 yards and LOD is a killer!

Not sure who you coach for nor do I know what official told you that about the "stopwatch". I won't state my opinion of that statement he made to you.

Notice that I said, "early in game" some "preventative officiating" is done and if those tactics don't work, flags will be thrown. Also, I am only one official and am stating what most officials in my association are taught (taught by VERY competent experienced officials). I guess I shouldn't speak for every official in the state. I wish we were all taught the same though.

If a team is getting an unfair advantage my flag will be on the field.

I am sure you would agree though that some instances are better served to have the flag stay in our pocket. example: blowout game

Ahhh...the flying V formation

NFHS Rule 2-25 Line of Scrimmage:

Art 2...An offensive player is on his line of scrimmage when he complies with the position requirement of a lineman

NFHS Rule 2-32 Player Designation:

Art 9...A lineman is any A player who is facing his opponent's goal line with the line of his shoulders approximately parallel thereto and with his head or foot breaking an imaginary plane drawn parallel to the line of scrimmage through the waist of the snapper when the ball is snapped.

basically, when you can see air between the other lineman and the centers butt, he is off the line of scrimmage.

Again, MOST wing officials will somehow get work into the middle that someone or everyone needs to get up on the line. If that doesn't work, informing coaches usually does the trick. If not, flags will follow.

Coaches, again please remember that the same courtesy is more that likely being afforded to your team. When it becomes big and obvious or someone is getting an advantage, it will get called. Nobody at that game wants to see us throwing those flags all night for something that can be corrected without anyone getting an advantage.

NFHS Rule 2-28 Neutral Zone:

Art. 1...The neutral zone is the space between the two free-kick lines during a free-kick down and between the two scrimmage lines during a scrimmage down. For a free-kick down, the neutral zone is 10 yards wide and for a scrimmage down it as wide as the length of the football. It is established when the ball is marked ready for play.

Art. 2...The neutral zone may be expanded following the snap up to a maximum of 2 yards behind the defensive line of scrimmage, in the field of play, during any scrimmage down.

Most wing officials will do some preventative officiating early in the game. If someone is lined up a bit across the line, I will go in and "remind" the linemen to stay onside and watch where they are lined up. If that doesn't work, letting a coach know will usually take care of the problem. If not and it keeps happening, flags will follow.

Please remember coaches...you are probably getting this same courtesy on the other side of the ball. Big and obvious will get called :thumb:

Matt was in fact the Referee in last nights National Championship game. He is in charge of the training program for the Northern Kentucky Officials Association and is a full time Ohio Valley Conference Referee. He still works a few high school games if his OVC schedule allows. This was a huge accomplishment for Matt and the others too. Matt not only continues to progess in his own career but he also use his knowledge to improve Ky high school football officiating at the same time. Having Matt as a part of the KHSAA and the NKOA is a huge asset.

That's cool, but it doesn't really state the PURPOSE of the rule. Why is the returner NOT allowed to run it out?

 

Later.

Normally the NFHS adopts a rule a year or 2 after the NCAA adopts it. This one was never adopted? I don't have a feeling on it one way or another but I am sure the NFHS has heard about it? You never know...it could suddenly be changed one year?

NFHS Rule 6-3-1-a

SECTION 3 TOUCHBACK

ART. 1 . . . It is a touchback if any free kick or scrimmage kick:

a. Which is not a scoring attempt or which is a grounded three-point fieldgoal

attempt, breaks the plane of R’s goal line, unless R chooses a spot of

first touching by K.

The Boyle/Lone Oak game was terrible both ways. I can understand a few missed calls but that crew missed lots of them. Both teams held on numerous plays. Lone Oak is a very good football team. But you will never convince me that they could hold out the Boyle defense like they did without holding. Hint to officals if the defense whomever it may be, is trying to put their jersey back on at the end of a play , they were probably held.

 

Pulling outward at the back (neck hole) of the shoulder pads is a horse collar penalty. Right or wrong?

 

Pulling downward from the same location is not a penalty. Right or Wrong?

 

I'm well aware thet officiating is a very hard job and ALL calls will not be made.

However you took the job.

 

Surely no one would purposely make a call because a kid is wearing the wrong color jersey.

 

Maybe the problem lies in training. How much professional training do officials have to have? Are they required to have additional training yearly?

 

Can they be or are they nationally certified?

 

Just wondering.:confused:

NFHS Rule 9-4-3-k

ART. 3 . . . No player or nonplayer shall:

k. Grab the inside back or side collar of the shoulder pads or jersey of the runner

and subsequently pull the runner to the ground (Horse-collar tackle).

Most associations start their weekly meeting in mid July. With that being said, The Northern Kentucky Officials Association also does offseason rules studies to stay sharp and to work at being the best officials we can be.

Sorry the # is 859. Like I said great game by two great teams. I am going to move on as it does no good to keep beating a dead horse. The fact is it would not have gotten this close had we run the ball with 5 min. left.But then again Boyle would not have a TO. If The right call would have been made when #2 was hurt under 2 min. Boyle should have been charged a T.O. and they would not have had time to get the kick off. We had a shank punt that was not like our punter to do. We also missed 2 xtra points, which he hasn't missed all season,Yada yada yada..............

NFHS Rule 3-5-7-e

ART. 7 . . . An official’s time-out occurs during a dead ball without a time-out

being charged to either team:

a. For measurement of a possible first down.

b. When a first down is declared.

c. Following a change of team possession.

d. When captains and coaches are notified of the time remaining.

e. For a player who appears to be injured.

f. For a player in need of equipment repair.

g. To dry or change the game ball.

h. For unusual heat or humidity which may create a health risk to the players.

i. When a coach-referee conference concerning the misapplication of a rule

results in the referee altering his ruling. (See 3-5-11)

j. After a foul, to administer the penalty.

k. For any unusual delay in getting the ball marked ready for play.

l. For a TV/radio time-out that is permitted and granted as authorized by state

association policy.

1.) The lateral that LO recovered and was called a incomplete.See wearetheflash.com #869 and you will see the pics.

2.) No time on the play clock when the game tying kick occured. Two KHSAA officials were right next to me and they said the same thing.

3.) Goldsmith getting in on 4th down to win the game, very questionable call..The refs on our side were still looking for the ball and the Boyle side ref called it a TD even though he was blocked by players,msee also above website for the pics.

4.) A lot of holding by both teams all day but really the only holding call came when LO hit a 69 yrd. pass play and was called back for holding.

 

I think that was pretty specific and please dont give me the argument that the playclock is kept on the field. I know this but if that is the case then why have them on in the first place. I watched all the other games and everytime there was a delay call it was in sync with the play clock. Heck everytime there was one called in this game it was in sync with the play clock.:irked:

1. I looked through the pictures. #869 doesn't show a lateral and i can't find one in any of the other pictures??

2. I am not going to beat the horse dead any longer...the play clock is kept by the Back Judge and it has also been state numerous times on BGP that the clock was hitting 0 when the snap went off.

3. The picture of the winning TD is taken on the opposite side of the official that punched it up. He obviously saw the ball break the plane to call it that way. How do you know what he saw by this picture?:idunno:

4. Holding....simply getting beat is not being held. Holding is probably the most subjective call in football. It has got a be a big and obvious hold and HAS to be at the point of attack or have a direct effect on the play. Are there holds that aren't called? Yes, and they aren't called for a reason.

I think Boyle earned their rings. I don't see anything that makes me believe that they were given to them.

I think the Boyle game was terrible..Missed calls on both sides with it culminating on blown calls to give Boyle their rings.......

Please enlighten us. What was missed that gave Boyle their rings?

I thought the refs did a very good job in the 5a final. My only small complaint is the same one I had all year: late whistles. Seems to lead to alot of needless pushing and shoving when the plays are clearly over.

 

overall I thought they did a great job!

The whistle doesn't end the play. The play is over when dead by rule. The old saying, "play til you hear the whistle" is not a good thing to teach players.

Thoughts and comments on this years officiating crews for the championship games. I saw 4 of the games and thought overall the crews did a good job. What do you think?

Please keep in mind that the crews working the finals games only work together as crew 1 time (week 3 of playoffs) before the finals. All of them are very qualified officials and work extremely hard all year long to get there. I think they did a fine job!

Good question. I thought that there wer a awful lot of penalties against Boyle. I don't think that this was typical of Boyle to have that many penalties.

I bet the officials walked out of the locker room with the intention of throwing a bunch of penalties on Boyle. Darn officials!

I should clarify.....punt (scrimmage kick) does not afford these options.

5 yard penalty and kick again

or 25 yards from previous spot

or take it at spot of kick out of bounds

Free Kick Out of Bounds options:

5 yard penalty and kick again

or 35 yard line (of course, if kick happened from the 40)

or take it at spot of kick out of bounds

It was a joke.....the X announcers said it was bad. I think the sideline reporter was trying to be funny when he said it was a good call?

Who was the PI call on and if you didn't go to the game how do you know if it was a good call or not?

Didn't you know.....ALL pass interference calls are bad ones! Especially if they are against your team.:eyeonyou:

So let me get this straight

SK lost because

A horrible 4th and 1 call by Marksberry

and a bad call that led to another ST. X score

No SK lost because the better team won tonight. Leave it at that.

:thumb:

Oh well....time to root on BW and Highlands! And ELDER too!

That QB should not hang his head after the game he's had, particularly with Simpson out.

 

The coach, on the other hand . . .

It's soooo easy to judge behind your keyboard.

TD X