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I read alot of the posts in the forum. Seems that there has not been as much official bashing, as in the past. How has the officiating been across the state this season?

WINNERS RAKE THE POT....LOSERS CRY DEAL.

Ballard defeated Paducah Tilghman 86-77 on Monday, so CovCath next opponent will be Ballard whom the Colonels will play on Tuesday 12/28/10 @ 3:30pm.

 

To listen to the CovCath game today vs UHA click on this Link. CovCath Internet Radio plans on Broadcasting the CovCath vs. Ballard game on Tuesday but at the moment I don't have a link for that game.

 

Thelen was indeed the man but CovCath played as a team as the 24 Assists will attest to. The largest lead CovCath had today was 39/23 (16pts) so by winning by 12, CovCath was never really challenged.

 

Strange but true: There were only 5 total fouls called on both CovCath (4) and UHA (1) in the second half. I can't tell you the last time I watched a game, that saw a team earn only 1 foul in an entire half!

 

CovCath was 6/6 from behind the arch and shot 60% from the floor today.

 

UHA was 7-2 coming into this game!

About the amount of fouls....was the game officiated well or they just let things go?

I was told he is interested in coming to Madison Southern. He still ives in Madison Co. I believe. This was told to me by someone who is close to him. If he did win here he would probably leave for another job.

I am hearing Coach Rain's named mentioned with Pikeville College. Wanting to ask another Mountain Coach to come as a package. Not going to mention the other Coach for obvious reasons.

What if the lineman caught the ball behind the line of scrimmage?

 

Here is what I read in the rule book...

 

No player may hand the ball forward except during a scrimmage down before a change of possession, provided both players are in or behind the neutral zone and it it to:

a. A lineman who has clearly faced his end line by moving both feet in a half-turn and is at least 1 yard behind his line when he receives the ball.

 

So basically, if the end man on the line of scirmmage was a lineman and he turned around to face his goalline and moved 1 yard back behind the line he would be eligible to catch a pass even if he wasn't wearing an eligible jersey number?

 

Not trying to beat a dead horse, just want to be as clear as possible.

Like others said the eligibility rules for a forward pass are position and numbering. The example you give is for a direct handoff, not a pass.

You are 100% correct.

If you play golf at Harrison County you do get to keep the golf ball. That is if you don't lose it in the woods or the water.

 

And, exactly what would you eject the fan for, asking a question and asking for an explaination or an interpretation of a rule? The problem was Tackett knew it was the wrong call and he also knew that the ump that threw the Harrison County player out last year blew the call.

 

One thing you can say for the Harrison County fan base, they know their baseball, they are loyal to their team, pleayers and coaches and they win. Good luck to the Thorobreds against Daviess County.

Think again Hilltopper. The ejection last year was the correct call. I AM sorry that some umpires don't have the nads to make the correct call. If you think last years call was blown...it makes your credibility questionable on this call to see things through non-biased eyes instead of those maroon colored glasses that you must be wearing. I was not at the game, so I can not make a determination on the play against Clay County. I have seen the video, and you might or might not have an argument. Plus you can have visious or violent contact and it not be malicious. :thumb:

You have the right answer.

I have heard with the new format or old format, depending how old you are, that the KHSAA is taking 16 umpires. I don't know if this is true, and was wondering just who the "Men in Blue" will be.

If you ever notice, most 1B and 3B umpires will take their initial position in Foul Ground. That way, they know if the ball hits them without moving OR if they move away from the field of play, the ball is foul without having to look down at the chalk.

You might want to re-think that logic. The batted ball may very well hit in foul territory way past the bag, but if the grounded ball passes over 1st or 3rd...you still have a fair ball. I have seen umpires on several occasions have to dodge the ball and they be standing in foul territory.

Do they vote to determine whether they use seeding or blind draw? And, if so, which (3) teams are voting for blind draw?

They don't play Catholic in regular season to determine seeding. I believe this changes next year.

What do you expect a kid to do when somebody harasses them?

I hope that you are not a basketball dad, because if you would want your kid to respond to what happens in the stands; then you are teaching them to play right into the fans hands. But then of course, you are probably one of those same parents that blame everyone but your kid when things are not going good. Nice job dad.

Thanks for all the kind words....won't reply much, but thought this was a good topic to speak out. :banana:

You are actually telling me a good official should call the technical right away and take away the attempt at the lay-up? If you believe you know nothing about running a game. By the way, in my extensive officiating cateer I have been as respected as any official in the game. You are just trying to be a purist looking for obscure rule to discuss. As I said previously, the next time your original play is called YOUR BOOK way will be the first. Also, I couldn't care less about the PUBLIC"S PERCEPTION aboit how I officiate a game. It's the coachs' opinion I am concerned about, and I have no problem there.

If you truly are an official of 30+ years which I find hard to believe...just drop it. If you have called that long you are right there with me in years on the court. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but yes I would enforce the rule as written. You are not talking about judgment calls...advantage or disadvantage with the defense or offense or any other action while the ball is alive and in play. You are talking about a stoppage in play...you are given the problem...you are expected to render the correct legal decision. It is just that simple. You say that it is unfair to the other team....well do it your way and now you have made it unfair to the other team, because you did not make a correct ruling....now that team loses by one point...the film is sent to KHSAA...Mr. Tackett calls you and asks for an explanation...you sit for a couple of games. You can never go wrong by following the rules.

Yes you can, and no there is not.

So you are saying even though the right thing to do is to uphold the rule and suspend the players that were in the wrong, it would open up a can that nobody wants to deal with and so you just ignore it.

The calls were not made, and these (malicious contact) should have been. No I would not think that the KHSAA would want to go back and and suspend a player (s) for a mistake that umpires make, but YES the umpires should be held accountable. You have bad officials just like bad players and coaches and yes fans. As long as these games are being played by humans; the human element (by all four of the above groups) of error is always going to play into the equation. Just go to your game and cheer who you do have playing, and hope that you can get past that first game. That way you don't have a built in excuse if Trinity kicks your lungs in.

They have indoor plumbing at Applebees, you don't have to urinate in the stands. And your urinating comment has nothing to do with a rule call that should be the same with umpires in the same association. I don't have a son named Johnny, but I do know just a little about baseball.

 

How about the kids that ran over the catchers in the other games, if you aren't going to reinstate the other player, then suspend the two that weren't ejected since apparently they should have been. Unless you are saying that it is okay to do it as long as you don't get caught...

I do agree about your comment about the umpires in the same Association being on the same page. But you were railing for the kid to be re-instated for doing something wrong. Not to many people outside Cythania think that the incident was not textbook malicious contact. Did not say that it was vicious or that the player was trying to hurt the catcher. This rule is in for the safety of all concerned. Just because some umpires don't understand or chose to disregard; does not mean that someone that is charged with malicious contact should not have to suffer consequences when others got away from any consequences, either because the umpire did not know how to apply the rule or chose not to inforce as directed by what I would think their umpire group and the KHSAA. If you re-instate then Harrison's opponent in the State Tourney would have a beaf. If you try to go back and penalize the kids for an umpire (s) failure to to apply rule, then that is a can no one would want opened. You keep talking about it being a judgement call. It is not a safe/out, ball/strike or fair/foul. It is spelled out in the rule book. I can not help that some umpires chose not to follow. Now your argument might be well what about rules in other sports that are ignored or not followed by the letter of the rulebook i.e. traveling/three seconds or holding (football). Malicious contact is a safety rule, so if anything umpires should err on the side of safety. If this gets called more and coaches teach this approach, then you won't have it occur as much, and what I am sure a fine young man would be able to play in the State Tournament this week. Got your private message, and I will respond.

Which one, it happened in the Etown game too.

So two wrongs cancel out one right? Let me make sure that I have this correct; two kids don't get caught doing something wrong, so a third kid who does wrong and gets caught does not have to suffer and consequences. Sounds like a typical argument a parent would give to take up for little Johnny. Or better yet if you are in the section of Applebee's Park just below the VIP boxes and I am urinating on you, and two people beside you say that it is raining, but the guy in front of you says, "Hey do you realize that someone is urinating on you?" Your response, according to your previous argument, would be, "No it is not because these two people say it is raining". Why should I have ever doubted your argument, you sit right there and believe that it is raining.

Lexington Catholic player rolls a catcher and gets nothing and Harrison County player gets suspended 1 game. The KHSAA needs to fix this before the State Tournament starts. Umpire K.M. suspends the Harrison County player one game and Umpire B.E. lets this go with no call. The Harrison County player should be re-instated. Go to this link to see the picture for yourself. You will need to click on more pictures to see the collision.

 

 

 

 

http://www.kentucky.com/813/story/821013.html

Why should the Harrison County player be re-instated? The Lexington Catholic player committed malicious contact and the umpire blew the call. I guess that if you get a speeding ticket for doing 80 mph in a 70 zone, and I pass you later on and I am doing 80 mph and a cop passes us both; then you should not have to pay your ticket, because the second officer chose not to ticket me. You want to pitch a "tizzy", rag on the umpire that did not make the correct call.

The catcher is up the line on that play. Had he been back a few feet and closer to the plate, then I could see an ejection coming. But not from that play.

This a response from the post on the Harrison County Topic.

"Malicious contact always supersedes obstruction. Bottom line, being obstructed does not give the runner the right to clear a path to the base they are trying to acquire. They must go around the obstruction. It is up to the umpire to determine if the obstruction causes the runner to be called out. If that happens (runner called out after being obstructed), he calls time and awards the runner the base."

This taken straight from the rulebook, so position of catcher is not always an indicator of malicious contact. Contact can very hard and not always be malicious, and likewise, you don't have to roll a player to have malicious contact called. Bottom line could the runner have avoided contact, and was he the deliverer of the blow or was he defending himself.

Lexington Catholic player rolls a catcher and gets nothing and Harrison County player gets suspended 1 game. The KHSAA needs to fix this before the State Tournament starts. Umpire K.M. suspends the Harrison County player one game and Umpire B.E. lets this go with no call. The Harrison County player should be re-instated. Go to this link to see the picture for yourself. You will need to click on more pictures to see the collision.

 

 

 

 

http://www.kentucky.com/813/story/821013.html

Sounds like umpire K.M. had the balls to make to correct call, and umpire B.E. didn't. I know who the K.M. and B.E. are, and they are from the same umpires group. If anything B.E. should have to explain why, if warranted, there was no ejection. Plus, that is a still shot, and contact may not have been avoidable or the runner may have gone into a defensive position just before the shot was taken. I also know that they KHSAA has said that the call on the Harrison County player was dead on.

Are you sure about this. I saw Keith calling a football game at Corbin this year. Thought he might have come back in basketball too. The 13th Region could use some more quality officials. I talked to Keith about a year ago, and he said that he really liked working in the 10th and 11th. I don't think that I would travel that much to officiate, but I guess he loves it that much.

Texas is one of the States that uses NCAA Football Rules for High School...instead of Federation Rules.

You all need to get into the Rule Book....some of these answers are way off. Simply put to be cut the Defensive Player must be on the LOS, the ball has to be in the Free Blocking Zone and it has to be an interior Lineman (width of the zone) that cuts. There is no way that a RB could legally cut anyone.

From a Shot-gun formation, that would mean the OL would have to time their block with the snap to cut immediately...if there is any delay...the ball is out of the zone. I have not seen to many OL that are that savy to do this.

Just my two-cents.