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Primarily freebies, which means the event organizer/team got the ticket money anyway, but they didn't get my concessions or merchandise money because I stayed at home.

 

Again, at the end of the day, I'm with Clyde. Vent your wrath at your school's coach, AD or principal that okayed this deal and see if they are willing to forego the guaranteed money and any other money they are entitled to receive in order to allow the folks staying at home to listen (my guess is that a lot of them will tell you to pound sand because the school wants/needs the money and thus they are no different than BOK wanting to make sure they at least cover their costs and maybe even make some money). It again is unrealistic for BOK or the schools not to be looking at the bottom line.

 

But I've said my piece a few times on this subject so I don't plan on responding any more (although as noted, I said I don't plan on further responses and am reserving the right to pontificate further if the Muses strike me.)

To think that schools are being complained about for runnings things like a business!

The 9th might be stuck for 3 years, but I'd bet the 10th is 1 and done with this place.

What makes you think that the people running the tournament for the 10th are upset enough that it won't come back. I think that decision is made by the schools in the 37th for this area. Yes maybe there have been some issues, but I don't hear Campbell County School officials complaining about the arena.

Could all this media talent not partner up with the BOK with a plan where everyone wins? Including the Enquirer? Perhaps an idea or two that is new? The one new thing is BOK did pony up the money to the schools with a guarantee. That is big with money so tight. Think big ideas and sell them on it. It may be worthwhile.

Trust me i was looking forward to the BOK until all this rubbish.

You will still enjoy the tourney!!!

Can any 10th region fans honestly say they would rather be going through this to have this tourney at the BOK other than maybe Campbell or Brossart fans?Honestly.

Sounds more like the fans in Mason County are just crying about one more thing about not have the tournament in Maysville. Its a done deal where the tournament is going to be so why not enjoy the opportunity that your athletes are going to have and let it rest.

On the bolded, it was my understanding that local businesses in the Mt. Sterling area were to guarantee that all 2007 10th Region participant schools would receive revenues equal to the 2006 figure.

Did not happen and Mont. County people say that it was never promised.

Guaranteed money for the schools in a place that beats the heck out of any other place. Let them run it as they see fit!

I asked them that two weeks ago when I had them on. they said that the amount was determined by those above him and that the best person to get in touch with are Mr. Strong or Chad Molley at Lloyd who set this up with the arena.

Have you contacted them?

Unfortunately no!!:cry:

Maybe the question to ask the arena group is how much they are giving the regions. It seems to me that I each region gets money back. I know the 10th has never known going in how much they would get. If the arena has put up funds, then it only makes sense that the only way they get money back is to sale the rights. Dealing with a corporation is different than dealing with a school, times they are changing.

Didn't the mayor and governor tell them a week or so before it hit to leave? Seems that is time to make plans.

 

When the flood hit our town, many people walked out. MANY PEOPLE.

Falmouth people walked up the hill. Now take the tiny small population of a little backwater town like Falmouth and move it to say, Dayton, Ohio. Not as easy. You do understand this storm traveled inland over 300 miles and was over 250 miles wide, right?

I asked a person who was in security administration and law enforcement in New Orleans at the time of the hurricane about the Ninth Ward. This guy is highly educated and experienced and is no redneck by any stretch of the definition. His information is quite different from yours. Now, keep in mind that he lived and worked in the area for over 20 years.

 

He states that the Ninth Ward was an extreme slum area filled with unkept and decaying structures. He states that anyone implying, as has the above poster, that it had a number of $100K homes is, to be nice, wrong. He says most all of the houses were rented or occupied by panhandlers. Small mortgages? Ridiculous, he says. The overwhelming majority of those living there had no ownership upon which to base a mortgage. Few had employment. Almost all lived on public assistance. In other words, the above poster's statements are completely incorrect and he should know it.

 

If you doubt this, check out pictures of the Ninth Ward on the web. Take a good look at the houses. It is quite easy to see what they were before the storm. They were slums.

 

So, since these people had no investment in the structures before the storm, they were certainly not burdened with any mortgage and were free to relocate.

 

We can feel sorry for these people. However, let's not paint an untrue picture just for the purpose of condemning others and creating sympathy. As my source said, "It sounds bad but the truth is that the Ninth Ward, overall, didn't look a lot different after the hurricane than it did before the hurricane."

Wow:confused:

Highly educated?

Having been to the Ninth Ward a few times before and four times since Katrina I think I have at least a hands on perspective. Were there run down streets and parts of the ninth? Sure. I can find the same kind of poor, declining houses in virtually every city. For your friend to say there was no homes worth around 100K is simply ignorant. The area between the levy break (where the barge ended on the street) to the retail area of that particular part of town, sat 100's of full brick, 2 to 3 bedroom patio homes with detached garages. Matter of fact, the specific street I personally walked I recall a very nice home, solid wood floors, inground swimming pool and a late model Corvette - all destroyed.

Home ownership, I will find the exact figures and I was surprised when I reviewed them. It was below the average but nothing to suggest this was a total slum area. You do realize this area had a very high, commercial business district? Ever hear of Fats Domino? The Steamboat House? (not worth a 100K?).

You know I can travel to a few sections of Louisville and take a snapshot of that part and consider the whole neighborhood to be like that snapshot. That would not be telling the whole story. Your friend is thankfully wrong and perhaps a little resentful or biased. Not sure which, don't really care.

Lastly, I did not condemn anyone. I suggest you reread what was posted. I pointed out several factors that is standing in the way of many who want to restart and renew. That part is to be encouraged not condemned.

If you're still homeless 4 years after Katrina, its not the government's fault. Buy yourself a mirror.

Perhaps if you travel to the Ninth Ward and see what the folks in New Orleans are up against you may think differently. This is a typical story of the Ninth Ward:

Home worth 100K, had a small mortgage (home ownership in the Ninth was fairly good). Storm wipes it out. Bank takes its mortgage, less deductable if insurance truly pays - family has, say 60K now in their hands. Every available builder, contractor, etc. is busy and scheduled out forever, contracts are at a premium. Material costs are above average due to local demand. BUT, new rebuilding laws says house must be on stilts - makes sense, except the old 100k house to rebuild now costs about 130K. So the family has to decide to double their mortgage? In an area that is still under debris removal and no business, school or other society services around? Don't forget the lending limitations of the world now also apply to New Orleans. So do they look for a lot somewhere else? Many are not as homeless as you may think. They are saving their money and living in apartments, etc. Several are working around the whole mess by doing it in their spare time, pay as they go.

As a post script, several of the Katrina rebuilt homes have appraised about 20% less than cost of rebuilding.

My friend I can tell you first hand, there are people that want to build and build now but their fiscal approach is not the stereotype thinking us Northerners are using to judge them.

What if you live in an area where that is literally true? It could be that your child has a learning disability, or that your child is not challenged enough. Is the responsibility of the parent that is qualified to homeschool that child to put him/her in an enviornment where their needs aren't being met? Or is it to take the child's education into their own hands. I think that there's a perception out there that parents who choose to homeschool their children are elitists. Those I've met who've chosen to do so, have done so out of concern for their child, not because they're too good for public education.

I cannot think of one instance where a learning disability can be better served in a home school environment over the mandated services for disabilities. I can think of and know several instances where home schooling was a discipline dodge.

Students attending public schools have no right to be educated by a homeshooling parent because they do nothing to support that parent's household. The same cannot be said of parents who homeschool their children. Their children have the right to an education in a public school, if they so choose, and that education includes the extracurricular activities sponsored by the school with tax dollars.

 

IMO, it is petty for the people who run public schools to deny the opportunity for homeschoolers to participate on school sponsored teams. As I said in a previous thread, schools should welcome the opportunity to provide a positive public school experience to home schooled children. Doing so benefits the community as a whole, whether or not the parents decide that the public school is not so bad after all as a result of that experience.

It is not petty. Given the cuts and extra costs schools are having to add and be burdened with it is grossly unfair to expect an expansion of convenience to a few. Enroll at the school, there is no way it is that bad.

That is too bad. Not surprising but disappointing just the same.

Not disappointing at all. The disappointment is the very body - Senate should think they can continue to dictate what everyone else should do. It is silly to continue to suggest schools are so bad academically but OK athletically but it is OK to live in the area in question. It does not make any sense at all. This debate is being painted that schools are not worthy of academic consideration but we want the flexibility to use it on Friday night(s). That, my friends is not what you can build a team or program on.

This bill is dead and going nowhere fast. Westwood doesn't even have the support of the Northern Kentucky delegation and he did not let anyone know about it. Simple self serving stunt.

Good point.

As good a point if I provide enough for my retirement and take the cost to provide my own insurance I can and should be allowed to opt out of medicare and Social Security, including self employment insurance? Before you say yes, please note there is a clear case study that shows if you are consistent with this matter 81% of current and future retirees would NOT have the least basic amount of services and income. Those who produce the most in our society picks up most the tab. It is not unreasonable to expect society to be at least obligated to community expected services.

Of all the things pressing the state, this is the best that Northern KY can provide in political leadership?:laugh:

Great environment for the Campbell vs. Brossart game. Great fan support for both teams. Campbell's band also did a nice job.

 

6 dollar admission for adults and kids was a little steep! Many fans were complaining.

I saw a family with three kids under 5 that were charged 30.00 for admission.

 

Katie Kitchen is even a better player than I thought. Very smart, goes hard to the basket and can make her foul shots.

 

Bowling and Peters are also talented players. Should be a good year for the Lady Camels.

And part of the money goes back to students scholarship fund and community programs. The same family of 5, where else do they go for a couple of hours for same money? Not shopping, movies or anywhere else.

Campbell vs. Brossart?

JOE?, Dad, Mr. Frank? Will you claim me now!?

I told you I was taller than Coach Thompson!

Republican head in my county asked to put a Mitch Mc. sign up. Told him no. First time in 20 years I denied him.

Quite disappointing to hear you take shots at folks who spend huge amounts of their time in service to the betterment of the experience for their school's student athletes?? Your obvious envy seems to be clouding your objectivity?? :confused:

 

Also to PNC's point, these type decisions are made by committee anyway; and by design are not the product of one institution?? Further :confused: ??

I think it was already posted. This is up to the Campbell County School Board. They get to decide it. Word is the superintendent got the deal done and now must confirm it with his board. So it really is the product of one institution in this case.

The people that run the Bank Of KY Center have been talking about this for a while now. Long before Mustang and the boys put out a press release. That aside, I thought this was for the kids and the opportunity to play in a first class arena, I guess I missed the part on who gets their name in lights. I also must be old school, because the days of just doing things for the kids and not worrying about making sure that someone gets the credit..... well I guess those days are gone. The reward should be in seeing a successful tournament that some can sit back and say to themself "wow that was something great to be a part of".

 

Usually this takes a group effort to get things such as this accomplished.

Yes, but there are certain people who have a history of self and program promotion over their student athletes. No surprise here.