FBRULES

The first Ryle High School boys basketball head coach, Ken Clore, died this past Sunday. He was 63. He was a long time assistant to the late Bill Warfield at Conner and former freshman boys coach at the then Conner Junior High School before becoming Ryle's first coach in 1993. His visitation and funeral is this weekend in Burlington. Far more significant was his faithful involvement to his Church community and dedication to his family. He will be missed.

And a 6'-6 Frosh in Jacob Schulte that has length of a 6'-9 guy. WOW! The kid was fantastic to say the least. The Breds Srs and other stars got it done but the Baby Bred looked really good and caused major problems for the Raiders. The fouling was fouling. Not real concerned about the number difference. Laugh of the nite is when a NewCath kid gets mugged and a NC fan screams "C'mon ref, that would have been a foul in Football". That was funny. BTW, the last I checked, I think they are pentalies and not fouls in football. LOL.

Actually, they are called fouls. The penalty is the consequence for the foul.

Officials should be cautious. It's against KHSAA policy for registered officials to give comment on rules, mechanics, or that which is officiating related in online forums (as much as some of us would like to do just that).

Sorry guys, in our registration packets this season, officials have been advised that it is unprofessional to comment or give opinion, even field questions, on rules questions and have been asked to refer all questions to the KHSAA or local authority. Thus, you should not see officials in all sports engaged in any conversation (right, wrong or in between) on these or other forums. In fact, this will have to be my last one, too.

My only hope is that other people related to the KHSAA (board members, for example) might exercise the same sense of professionalism.

Have a great season.

The Northern Kentucky Football officials send our sympathy and prayers. We, too, will miss Coach Logan and offer the Panther community our heartfelt love and support.

I switched to Direct TV because of this last week and the loss of other local programming. These are financial decisions made, I'm sure, by people far away who care nothing about our locality. These programs will never be replaced by something of equal value and are a part of wider dumbing down of our culture. It's not surprising anymore, but terribly sad.

I remember a tidbit in a rule book when I first started officiating in 1990. It said that fans tend to have three common characteristics and I have found this to be virtually true. The advice was to pay no attention to the fans becuase fans:

1. are ignorant of the rules (ignorant in the intellectual sense).

2. are highly partisan to one team.

3. delight in antagonizing the officials.

I think I've lasted for 21 years with this advice being in the top five reasons why.

I think the KHSAA should have took a look at the film and made a ruling and done the right thing before the next game. They watch film from fights and such to determine what action to take.

As easy as this appears on the surface, it's not. What if that shot took place at the end of the first half and the team lost by two? Would you look at film later and say that goal should have counted and the game now goes to overtime?

The bottom line is that the call was missed, no one likes it, and it's not fair (at least as that one play is concerned). But, three things come to mind. One, you have to move on at some point and now is as good a time as any. Two, the "fair" is that which comes to Burlington in the first full week of August. And, three, sometimes things happen that, in least in the current case, cannot be fixed.

Human beings are involved in this game and crucial physical and mental lapses happen by coaches, players, and officials. Everyone, from top to bottom, has to try their very best to do their very best.

What should we do now:

1. Jail them?

2. Stand on the corner with a sign saying I missed a call?

3. Overeact and spend money we don't have in schools on more technology?

4. Move on?

from What I have heard from parents there have been grumblings for the past couple of weeks. One of the players quit right after their District game against Ryle.

Parents complaining. Shocking.

Offensive interference should only be 15 yards not 15 yards and a loss of down.

A player who is scoring a touchdown commits unsportsmanlike conduct before the touchdown is scored (high stepping, taunting, diving into endzone) should be a spot foul and no score instead of being enforced, counting the touchdown, on the try or kickoff.

Holding and illegal blocking fouls (10 and 15) on the offense behind the neutral zone should be enforced from the previous spot instead of the spot of the foul. Holding should be 10 yards, not 17, for example.

This is one of the most difficult calls to make when players are in full speed because you always have to see the whole thing and you cannot guess when making calls.

At the end of the day, a lot of folks forget that officials work for the schools and, thus, if a school playing doesn't want that official then, since they are the employer, don't have to have that official. It's really that simple.

I'm surprised this thread garnered 41 previous postings and 42 including mine.

My dad and I went to the Conner/Boone game tonight; for that matter, so did mom. We sort of thought there would have been more of a crowd especially from students.

Offensive Interference 15 and a loss of down is a terrible rule. It should be 15 yards only or it should simply be an incomplete pass. The penalty for OPI is the most severe penalty in the book, more than personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct.

hey ref is correct. Assuming all other conditions are met, if the block occurs immediately at the snap it is legal, not by interpretation, but by the rule because the ball has not left the zone yet. If there is a snap, then the lineman pauses, and then blocks a defensive player within one yard of his line of scrimmage at the snap below the waist, it is a foul.

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This is not the hardest rule in the book.

People who like to take in all six games are in the minority compared to the total number of fans who come for one game and maybe a part of another game.

Personally, I can't see taking off two days of work especially to spend that much time in Bowling Green. Two days and one night is enough. With all respect, there's far more to do in Louisville, Lexington, and Northern Kentucky/Cincinnati and that will make a difference if you want two games over three days since there will be more down time with people looking to go and do something.

There are so many variables involved, but three days will not produce higher attendance per se, but it will produce more expenses. Those concerned about cold should understand it is the second weekend in December (that's another story) because our playoffs involve many teams that have no business being in the playoffs (another drama).

I'm sorry to hear this. A playoff game in Lawrence County was always fun and he was a big reason why.

Depends what this guy on Channel 12 says right now.

Absolutely. Selfishly, I feel a bit older this morning. In addition, I long again for four classes of football and sub-districts!

That's a good question for Kissenger...

 

NFHS rules changes are usually safety oriented. The "nonscoring kick is dead when it breaks the plane of R's goal line" rule change was implemented in 1996.

I've been officiating since 1990 and it's been that way at least since then, probably longer.

I find this compulsively bizarre that every year there's a posting from this region so concerned with who is the best basketball official. I'm sort of concerned about folks who care about that quite honestly.

A few officials in games we had last year actually thought the 'horse-collar rule' was a HIGH SCHOOL rule last year (got it called against us twice in JV games last year).

 

That number is probably at or lower the number of coaches who asked for a horse collar to be called during the games this season, along with loss of down on ineligible receiver downfield, the "halo rule", and the guy who said I would never work again because I did not know the 5 yard face mask provision had been removed from the high school rule book. Let's face it. There's a good number of officials and coaches that could not pass a rules test, even an easy one.

 

There's no reason for coaches or anyone to be within at least a yard of the sideline during play and there's no reason for a coach to be on the field ever period unless they are (1) during a charged team timeout or (2) attending to an injured player. Speaking of injury, you don't think Mr. and Mrs. Johnny Player Injured while Close to the Sideline won't sue everyone involved when they get taken out? And now, it's potentially a matter of criminal law not just civil law.

 

When you watch a college or NFL game, there's a reason they are back way off the field when on the sideline, it's because the rule is enforced and officials are downgraded when it's not enforced. When are you downgraded enough you are fired and that's the bottom line. In high school, an official's market, you don't get fired, you just get less than desired games consistently.

 

Several posters on here have commented that they want officials to worry about what happens on the field. I agree. Did they ever happen to the think that the majority of controversial game impacting judgment calls involve the sideline, catch/no catch, in or out of bounds, fumbled recovered before going out of bounds, and the pylon. You cannot see well when you are standing right on top of things. So, I train sideline guys to maintain at least a 6 yard distance when watching down a sideline to make a good judgement. Was he in or out? Have the ball or not? And yet, each time, players, coaches, the water boy, the team doctor, will in many venues sneak up and block the view. I'm telling you and it's an informed voice of twenty years of varsity officiating (there's only one coach in my area a head coach longer), we NEED the sideline to work, so please get back and stay back.

 

I look forward to the day that we have enough talented, in shape, fairly compensated people so that every official who doesn't work hard, know the rules, and have consistent judgment is summarily fired. Some of the comments here make that job harder.

When will people quit asking me if I know Matt Young?

The player that "downed" the ball at the 45 didn't actually run out of bounds and then back in did he?

Why would that matter?