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It is simple economics, Tom Gamble gives the schools a nice guarantee that is tough to say no to so the games are adopted as Crosstown Showdown games and the involved parties raise the ticket prices. In other words, Tom is laughing all the way to the bank and all the individual schools are complicit in fleecing their fans.

 

I believe this line of thought supports Trinity's lack of enthusiasm for participating in the recent past. The Ryle Sports Festival was an awesome event with Cincy X, Elder, Trinity, MBA or BA one year, etc. Triple header with competitive games.....modest payout for the teams....reasonable ticket price....I always wondered why the Rocks opted out and now I have my answer.

For what it's worth, Madison Southern is open September 20 and Sheldon Clark is open October 25. I'm guessing neither of these teams would want to play Trinity, though!

As a fan, I hope Trinity makes it "worth their while" to come to Louisville and then visit there next season at no cost to the home team.

I saw the 94 Trinity team play, they were fantastic. With that said, give me 2011 Trinity by three touchdowns.

 

I agree. I know one staffer who thinks the 1988 squad was the best. I know another former coach who feels the 1976 team would give the Beatty teams fits defensively. They were a nasty bunch.

 

I am happy to see the success continue.

When do they play, should be interesting??

August 16 at Trinity.

Does anyone know a reason for the back out?

The Marist Redhawks have a road game at the Moline Sr High Maroons on October 25. Cheaper to travel a lot closer to home and pay the buyout than to come to Louisville. It was always a one and done deal. Marist has their 2014 schedule set and published online at their website. The headache of scheduling games for Trinity now falls on the shoulders of Rob Saxton, the AD in waiting. He takes over for Dennis Lampley next June according to the school president. Read all about it on the front page at trinityrocks.com.

I believe such opportunities are available, but I'm not sure if you can exceed the 1/2 max. The one kid I know who did such wasn't an athlete. Conversely, my son was a football player, but didn't do work at school. Instead, he worked at Kroger, where he was able to average 30 hrs a week, so it helped more. And I had a 2nd, and sometimes 3rd job, so that's how we did it. Of course, that hurt us at financial aid award time, but it all worked out in the end because I picked jobs that helped keep other costs at a minimum, so we were able to eek the tuition out.

there is NO 50% RULE. Any student may apply for work study. All funds earned are applied to tuition.

Re: Male.

 

Best frosh talent & team in L'ville (& I'd expand to 'state') last year--I believe went undefeated. This talent will be young, but having a secondary of Sophs running a 4.5 is as fast as a secondary of Sr's running a 4.5. The difference is they'll make more mistakes EARLY ON but improve a LOT as the year goes on (we experienced this w/ a young-but-talented team 2 yrs ago--started out a BAD team, but gave state runner-up Scott Co a very tough game in playoffs).

We'd theorized too they may not be as good up front, BUT we saw several of their big guys perform at Camps/Combines where our guys were this spring/Summer & let's just say they seemed like a MORE than solid 6A line group. Big & moved very well in drills.

 

And they'll be well-coached.

 

My guess is, they'll get over their youth-mistakes right about the time we play them Week 5.

I have been told by a Male staffer that this year's freshmen group will not come close to last year's squad. The rules for staying at Male are somewhat tougher than other JCPS members, and this has hurt them in the past.

 

I still feel Manual has a ton of talent. Their QB is the real deal. The kids have to buy in to the program. I am hoping the Bruins rattle some cages early this season.

Exactly

Thankfully for Beechwood, Highlands, Danville, Bowling Green, etc., they have open enrollment.

How do the poor inner-city but great football players get into T????

 

They apply for admission like anyone else. They are then able to apply for financial aid . Trinity awarded $2,500,000.00 in "need based" tuition aid for this coming year. The alumni, friends, and the wise investors Trinity has on hand help make this tremendous gift possible.

The funds are divided up by a third party clearing house in Cleveland that simply analyzes tax returns and other finacial factors and arrives at an amount compared to all other applicants. The funds alotted to students who have chosen not to attend Trinity this fall are now being split up among those who have recently applied for financial assistance. As it has been stated on here before, there is no 50% cap mandated by the KHSAA.

Was there ever an actual signed contract between T and Marist, or was it a verbal agreement? Also, did Marist provide a reason for backing out?

Yes and Trinity will receive the buyout $. I have not heard any "official" reason. I am certain they came up with a better plan...like playing somebody at home in 2013. They did advertise on the KHSAA open date forum.

If public schools separated themselves into all male and all female schools, then at least the male athlete pool would be close to the 1600 T carries. At the bottom of 6A (Student Count) some schools only have 700 males. The first step towards competitiveness with T is having close to the same student body class. In no other class do you have to compete with a program that has twice as many bodies to draw from.

If some schools would quit splitting and building new schools in KY........Trinity is at 1300-1350...

Or you could ask, if based on recent years would X play them if not in the same district?

 

The funds they split each year should answer that question! The last time St X tried not to face Trinity, the Archbishop of Louisville stepped in. Of course, that was 1956 and St. X won 48-0. The series was on despite the beat down.

I thought week 9 was a district game week?

Trinity and St. Xavier are permitted to play their district game week 6 each season. I understand Male and Manual agreed to this arrangement. The KHSAA had to grant their permission.

PepRock01, Don't tell that to the webmaster at the Trinity website. I cannot find it today, but once during the 2011 season, when I was reading the rather lengthy pregame notes, which includes all the previous result, etc, I noticed that have proclaimed themselves in the masthead as "The Kentucky Powerhouse." No humility there. I doubt that you will find anything like that at any other school website in the Commonwealth.

Actually, this statement appears on a large sign at Trinity's stadium.

If Trinity had 40 to 50 boys in each class to to field a high school team each season I doubt if they would have more success as these teams have had. Trinity is blessed with being in Louisville and having a large number of boys to choose from. Trinity also benifits from not being in a great high school football state. Some small schools that produce good and great teams every year with small enrollment are more impressive than the few big schools that have a large pool of boys every year to choose from. Like the saying goes "bigger isn't always better".

I find it interesting that the three public schools you mention above are each independent school districts. They have options of accepting students from outside thier "boundaries". The larger publci County schools have had no where near the success of these smaller "city" schools. In Trnity's case, bigger is better and the administartion makes it work. As the local public schools have chosen limit their enrollments, Trinity has grown through the years. I use the huge public schools in Indiana as a prime example of how big works. In Ohio, they suggested to Colerain to split into two schools. Those folks declined.

This is St Xavier's turn. Sorry

I am not sure what facts you are basing this on. I do not believe Trinity will rest on their laurels this season. We will know if things have changed on October 4.

Scott County will be their usual selves. I am hoping Ballard makes some noise.

I do not see PRP as a factor in 2013.

 

That is a great list. I am unaware of any heavy super stud running backs in 6A. That is usually the type of player that gives Trinity a tough time.

Frankly at this point I would be happy with eastern if we could fill a spot. I would prefer a respectable name but if we need someone local I can live with it.

 

I was hoping for a 5A or 6A Kentucky team based on open dates listed on KHSAA open date list.

Trinity has open dates week 4 and week 9. Boyle County, Simon Kenton, Christian County, and Bowling Green list corresponding open dates for 2013 and 2014.

 

North Bullitt has week 4 and 9 open for 2013 only.

 

Chicago Marist recently opted out of playing the Rocks according to a prominent alumnus. If the listings are correct, hopefully someone in the Commonwealth will accept the challenge.:thumb:

The whole point of this thread was to sir up some reactions. It was getting a little boring around here. I'd say it worked.

I agree that you can't be a "dynasty" without winning a state championship. That would have to be at least a minimum requirement.

 

What surprised me is the opponents record of X versus T and Highlands. The opponents of X actually won more and lost fewer than those of T and Highlands,especially T who purportedly plays the hardest schedule around. This isn't criricizing anyone, just surprising to me. The numbers really weren't that close.

 

St X's schedule has been considerably weaker than some others. Playing Fern Creek, Doss, Fairdale, yada, yada, yada.....

Interesesting that #1, #2, #4, #6, #19, #21, #21 (tie), #23 are all Catholic schools. Trinity of Euless, Texas is not a private school.

Top 25 High School Football Dynasties

 

(Data from 2003-2012)

 

1. De La Salle (Concord, Calif.)

Record: 125-11-2

Opponents' Record: 1076-560-8

State Championships: 5 (California did not have state champions until 2006)

 

2. Don Bosco Prep (Ramsey, N.J.)

Record: 110-7

Opponents' Record: 819-458

State Championships: 0 (7 Non-Public Group IV Championships)

 

3. Carroll (Southlake, Texas)

Record: 131-14

Opponents' Record: 1028-662

State Championships: 4

 

4. St. Xavier (Cincinnati)

Record: 93-29

Opponents' Record: 1076-409

State Championships: 2

 

4. Colerain (Cincinnati)

Record: 114-13

Opponents' Record: 753-625

State Championships: 1

 

6. Trinity (Louisville, Ky.)

Record: 126-18

Opponents Record: 1060-682

State Championships: 8

 

21. St. Xavier (Louisville, Ky.)

Record: 114-24

Opponents Record: 1107-620

State Championships: 2

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/Pc-KkJ4L7USeerBC32QOAA/top-25-high-school-football-dynasties.htm

Cut Coach Smith a little slack JD, thus far we are not even sure he is joining the staff.

 

I believe this brings him a little closer to Louisville. I believe he will be a formidable candidate for the Trinity job once Coach Beatty hangs his whistle up

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Will Wolford ?

 

Absolutely W. Wolford.

Wow...almost a month has gone by and not a single post about the greatest football program in the state. What gives Rock lovers? One can only assume spring practice was either really, really good...or really, really bad!

 

What news to share?

 

-CardinalsFan

 

Trinity does not issue gear spring. No news.