2023 Massey Football Ratings

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4 hours ago, MaddenCurse44 said:

Ryle ranked over Simon Kenton is ridiculous!

Ahh, magical thinking is it? If Simon Kenton wins, I'll rock this "Riddikulus" bogggart as my avatar for a week. 

h/t @Tigerpride94

[UKato91]

14 hours ago, MaddenCurse44 said:

Ryle ranked over Simon Kenton is ridiculous!

 

14 hours ago, Unrivaled97 said:

Overall, I’m not a fan of common opponent comparisons unless it’s glaring.  In this case, both have wins over Conner, Great Crossing & Campbell Co. by similar margins.  It appears both teams are fairly even.  Best part is that Simon Kenton gets to prove you right this Friday….or prove you wrong. 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

They each have a common loss too.  SK took an absolute beat down by CCH, Ryle on the other hand made it a decent game.   Ryle should absolutely be ranked over SK.   

[Unrivaled97]

2 hours ago, UKato91 said:

 

They each have a common loss too.  SK took an absolute beat down by CCH, Ryle on the other hand made it a decent game.   Ryle should absolutely be ranked over SK.   

That's true, but I'm always willing to forgive one game.  You could also argue that Simon Kenton played Beechwood very close and that same Beechwood team took CCH to the brink of defeat the next week, so maybe the SK loss to CCH was just an off game for them.  Again, it's why I'm not necessarily a big proponent of common opponents unless it's glaring.  I will say, as a whole, Ryle has played a more competitive schedule overall than SK even though Ryle's four losses this year have each been by 2+ scores.

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🧐 Professor Massey found the Woolf/Engler schedule collectively tougher than the Roberts/Lucas one. 

Strength of Schedule ~ 

Ryle #8 - Simon Kenton #27

[UKato91]

2 hours ago, Unrivaled97 said:

That's true, but I'm always willing to forgive one game.  You could also argue that Simon Kenton played Beechwood very close and that same Beechwood team took CCH to the brink of defeat the next week, so maybe the SK loss to CCH was just an off game for them.  Again, it's why I'm not necessarily a big proponent of common opponents unless it's glaring.  I will say, as a whole, Ryle has played a more competitive schedule overall than SK even though Ryle's four losses this year have each been by 2+ scores.

I agree with you.  I'm just trolling MC44.  I'm not a big proponent of common opponents either.  It can give you a glimpse, but it generally doesn't tell the whole story.   

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🍀 Trinity enters the playoffs as Kentucky's No. 1 team for the fifth straight week per Professor Massey. 

📈📉 Largest place gains/losses by the Statewide Top 25 ~ 

(+) 24. Lex Cath +5; 13. Ballard +3; 23. Ashland +3 

(-) 19. Scott Co. -5; 6. Douglass -3; 15. Bowling Green -3 

🔗 masseyratings.com/hsf/ky 

⭐ We'll fold this week's MR into the CalPreps Rankings threads for a side-by-side comparison. 

🔗 bluegrasspreps.com/calpreps-ky-2023

📱 Expanding the "At a Glance" screenshots below this week to the Top 50 All-Class teams.

↕️↔️ Sortable catagory headers, e.g. "Strength of Schedule" in the Massey link above.  

🔟 Top 10 by Class ~

• 6A •••••• 

1. Trinity; 2; Male; 3. St. Xavier; 4. Douglass; 5. Manual 

6. Ballard; 7. Bryan Station; 8. Ryle; 9. Bullitt East; 10. Simon Kenton 

• 5A ••••••

1. Highlands; 2. South Warren; 3. Bowling Green; 4. Scott Co.; 5. Southwestern 

6. Cooper; 7. Woodford Co.; 8. Owensboro; 9. Greenwood; 10. South Oldham 

• 4A •••••• 

1. Boyle Co.; 2. Corbin; 3. Cov Cath; 4. Franklin Co.; 5. Tilghman 

6. Ashland; 7. Johnson Central; 8. Taylor Co.; 9. Logan Co.; 10. Bardstown 

• 3A ••••••

1. CAL; 2. Lex Cath; 3. Central; 4. Hart Co.; 5. Union Co. 

6. Bell Co.; 7. Belfry; 8. Glasgow; 9. Franklin-Simpson; 10. Lloyd 

• 2A •••••• 

1. LCA; 2. O'boro Cath; 3. Beechwood; 4. Mayfield; 5. Green Co. 

6. Somerset; 7. Crittenden Co.; 8. Murray; 9. Breathitt Co.; 10. Shelby Valley 

• 1A •••••• 

1. Pikeville; 2. Raceland; 3. Campbellsville; 4. KCD; 5. Sayre 

6. Paris; 7. Lou. Holy Cross; 8. New Cath; 9. Bethlehem; 10. Middlesboro 

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Lluniwyd gan WOPR.

5️⃣0️⃣ Kentucky All-Class Ratings

5️⃣0️⃣ All-Class Strength of Schedule

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🍀 After Round 1 of the KHSAA playoffs, the biggest ratings gains and losses of the season have come into play.  

Trinity remains No. 1 overall and not much has changed in the Statewide Top 25. The real action begins from within the Classes, usually below the Top 10 threshold in each.

Last week there were two teams +/- five places; this week 21. 

📈 Trending Up ~ 

Williamsburg +15; DeSales +11; Perry Co. Central +9; Dayton +9; Dixie Heights +8;  Elizabethtown +8; Newport +8;  Frankfort +8; Fern Creek +6; Leslie Co. +6; Daviess Co. +6; Scott +5 

📉 Trending Down ~

McLean Co. +11; North Hardin -9; Hazard -8; Lincoln Co. -7; Jeffersontown -7; Madisonville -5; GR Clark -5; Mason Co. -5; Harlan Co. -5

masseyratings.com/hsf/KY_All_Class  

Kentucky Top 20

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37 minutes ago, Runcible Owl said:

🍀 After Round 1 of the KHSAA playoffs, the biggest ratings gains and losses of the season have come into play.  

Trinity remains No. 1 overall and not much has changed in the Statewide Top 25. The real action begins from within the Classes, usually below the Top 10 threshold in each.

Last week there were two teams +/- five places; this week 21. 

📈 Trending Up ~ 

Williamsburg +15; DeSales +11; Perry Co. Central +9; Dayton +9; Dixie Heights +8;  Elizabethtown +8; Newport +8;  Frankfort +8; Fern Creek +6; Leslie Co. +6; Daviess Co. +6; Scott +5 

📉 Trending Down ~

McLean Co. -11; North Hardin -9; Hazard -8; Lincoln Co. -7; Jeffersontown -7; Madisonville -5; GR Clark -5; Mason Co. -5; Harlan Co. -5

masseyratings.com/hsf/KY_All_Class  

Kentucky Top 20

Top 10 by Class 

6A 

1. Trinity; 2. Male; 3. St. Xavier; 4. Douglass; 5. Manual

6. Ballard; 7. Bryan Station; 8. Ryle; 9. Bullitt East; 10. PRP* 

5A 

1. Highlands; 2. South Warren; 3. Bowling Green; 4. Scott Co.; 5. Cooper

6. Southwestern; 7. Owensboro; 8. Woodford Co.*; 9. Dixie Heights; 10. Greenwood* 

4A

1. Boyle Co.; 2. Corbin; 3. Cov Cath; 4. Franklin Co.; 5. Tilghman

6. Ashland; 7. Johnson Central; 8. Taylor Co.; 9. Logan Co.; 10. Bardstown 

3A 

1. CAL; 2. Lex Cath; 3. Central; 4. Hart Co.; 5. Union Co. 

6. Mercer Co.; 7. Bell Co.; 8. Belfry 9. Glasgow; 10. Franklin-Simpson 

2A 

1. LCA; 2. Beechwood; 3. O'boro Cath; 4. Mayfield; 5. Green Co. 

6. Somerset; 7. Crittenden Co.; 8. Breathitt Co.; 9. Shelby Valley; 10. Murray 

1A 

1. Pikeville; 2. Raceland; 3. Campbellsville; 4. KCD; 5. Sayre 

6. Paris; 7. Lou. Holy Cross; 8. New Cath; 9. Bethlehem; 10. Middlesboro 

(*) Eliminated from playoffs. 

Strength of Schedule 

One of the benefits of Massey vs. CalPreps is the ability to sort by Cross tabs: SoS, teams alphabetically, etc. 

masseyratings.com/hsf/KY_All_Class

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Edit in "Trending Down" ~ McLean Co. is -11, not +11.

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🍺 Strength of Schedule: Danville? Dixie Heights? Hopkinsville? LaRue County? Hazard? Russellville? "What in the Wide, Wild World of Sports is a goin' on here? 

On a chilly evening at the local watering hole, high school football fans will order their favorite beverage and hash out who are the better teams. 

Inevitably, someone will say, "Well my team's undefeated, they're the best." The first rebuttal, oftentimes is, "Yeah, and who have they played?"  

In the before times, an oldtimer would pull out a rolled up newspaper with the latest scores and schedules. Lively discussion would ensue, and the barkeep smiles, knowing that he's going to have a good night. 

🗞️ >📱 Rolled up newspapers are rarely seen these days. Luckily we've got access to several online sources for data and shortcuts to some pretty good rating systems.

Some folks like CalPreps. I'm becoming more of a fan of the Massey Ratings, just for ease of use. Both have lots of data, but imo Massey is easier to navigate and sortable crosstabs are very helpful, e.g. Strength of Schedule. 

masseyratings.com/hsf/ky/ratings

🤔 WOPR has divided the Professor's Ratings by class. Sometimes we'll hear, "What happened to 'Team X' this year, they just fell off the map?" Or, "How can  'Team Y' be ranked so high, they've got a losing record?" SoS of course plays a pretty big role in determining the answers. Whether some team's records reflect a "puffing the product" is a valid point too.

How who a team plays prepares them for the postseason is an interesting point too I think. 

A weak District has an impact, and the imbalance of the number of teams within a District statewide plays a roll as well. 

Whether a team has under/over- performed is open to debate. 

🧐 Each Class below will include all teams playing in Round 2 this week. WOPR has included Top 10 teams that didn't advance (x). I think there are some good indicators as to why some teams records reflect that this season they've bitten off more than they could chew.  

❓BGP, how do you judge the merits of SoS in ranking a team?

To what extent does it predict future performance?

Too much weight placed on who a team's opponents have played in the algorithm?

Does playing a superteam or two spike an Sos too much? Too little?

Bragging rights for losing to higher ranked team? Hmm...

Please be constructive. 

(+?/-?) Disclaimer: SoS may get skewed as playoffs progress - teams playing better/lesser opponents as they advance. It's one way rating systems like CalPreps and Massey look so good after the golden balls are presented at Kroger Field - they're self fulfilling prophesies. My take is they'd look a bit different if stopped at the end of the regular season. Point in favor of RPI.

6️⃣ 6A

Rank, Team, (W-L), Massey SoS # 

1. Trinity (8-3) 39 

2. Douglass (6-4) 37

3. St. Xavier (8-3) 33 

4. Manual (9-2) 28

5. Male (10-1) 28 

x 6. PRP (5-6) 27

7. Ryle (7-4) 26 

8. Bryan Station (8-3) 26 

9. Ballard (8-3) 26 

x 10. Campbell Co. (3-8) 24 👀

13. Madison Central (4-7) 22

16. Henderson Co. (5-6) 21 

17. Central Hardin (5-6) 19 

18. Bullitt East (9-2) 15 

23. Daviess Co. (5-5) 11 

24. Fern Creek (7-4) 10 

25. Tates Creek (8-3) 10 

26. McCracken Co. (5-6) 8 

5️⃣ 5A  

Rank, Team, (W-L), Massey SoS # 

1. Bowling Green (8-3) 23 

2. Dixie (5-6) 22 👀

3. South Warren (9-2) 21 

4. Highlands (10-1) 21 

x 5. Woodford Co. (6-4) 20 

6. Scott Co. (9-2) 17 

7. Owensboro (7-4) 16 

8. Southwestern (8-3) 16 

x 9. Greenwood (7-4) 14 

x 10. South Oldham (6-5) 13

12. Cooper (9-2) 12 

14. Pulaski Co. (4-7) 12 

16. North Laurel (7-4) 9 

17. Graves Co. (8-3) 9 

20. Butler (4-7) 3

22. Madison Southern (7-4) 2

27. Fairdale (6-5) -2 

34. Atherton (10-1) -10 👀

4️⃣ 4A 

Rank, Team, (W-L), Massey SoS #

1. Boyle Co. (11-0) 23 

2. Cov Cath (11-0) 17 

3. Corbin (11-0) 14

x 4. Hopkinsville (1-9) 14 👀

5. Ashland (10-1) 11 

6. Johnson Central (8-3) 10 

7. Tilghman (11-0) 10 

8. Franklin Co. (11-0) 9 

x 9. Shelby Co. (4-6) 8

x 10. Letcher Co. Central (5-6) 8 

11. Taylor Co. (9-2) 8 

12. Boyd Co. (6-5) 7 

13. North Oldham (7-4) 7

14. Warren East (6-5) 6 

15. Logan Co. (8-3) 6 

16. Bardstown (7-4) 5 

17. Spencer Co. (6-5) 5 

29. Perry Co. Central (7-4) 5 

37. DeSales (9-2) -12 👀

3️⃣ 3A 

Rank, Team, (W-L) Massey SoS # 

1. Central (6-5) 23

2. Lex Cath (7-4) 22

3. CAL (11-1) 17 

x 4. LaRue Co. (1-10) 16 👀

5. Elizabethtown (4-7) 10 

6. Belfry (8-3) 6 

7. Mercer Co. (10-1) 2 

8. Hart Co. (11-0) 1 

9. Franklin-Simpson (9-2) 1 

x 10. Adair Co. (7-4) 0 

11. Bell Co. (10-1) 0 

14. Glasgow (9-2) -2

16. Union Co. (10-1) -3

25. Russell (7-4) -9 

27. Lawrence Co. (8-3) -9 

28. Rockcastle Co. (10-1) -10 👀

29. Lloyd (10-1) -10 👀

34. East Carter (8-2) -12 

2️⃣ 2A 

Rank, Team, (W-L), Massey SoS # 

1. LCA (10-1) 19 

2. Beechwood (10-1) 13 

x 3. Danville (0-11) 9  👀

4. Mayfield (9-1) 9 

5. O'boro Cath (11-0) 8 

6. Murray (7-4) -2 

7. Crittenden Co. (7-4) -2 

8. Metcalfe Co. (3-8) -3 

9. Breathitt Co. (6-5) -4 

10. Somerset (8-3) -4 

11. Green Co. (9-2) -5 

12. Monroe Co. (6-5) -6 

14. Shelby Valley (8-3) -8 

17. Leslie Co. (7-4) -14 

23. Martin Co. (6-5) -17 

27. Floyd Central (6-5) -19 

33. Betsy Layne (10-1) -31 👀

1️⃣ 1A 

Rank, Team, (W-L), Massey SoS # 

1. Pikeville (8-2) 9

2. Raceland (8-3) 9 

x 3. Hazard (1-10) 5 👀 

4. Lou. Holy Cross (6-5) -2

5. KCD (9-2) -3 

6. Bethlehem (5-6) -4 

7. New Cath (7-4) -6

8. Campbellsville (9-1) -6 

x 9. Russellville (2-9) -13 👀 

10. Paris (10-1) -15

11. Newport (8-3) -15 

12. Frankfort (4-7) -16 

13. Paintsville (6-5) -16 

15. Middlesboro (8-2) -19 

16. Williamsburg (6-4) -19 

21. Dayton (5-6) -22 

24. Sayre (11-0) -25 👀 

25. Ludlow (7-4) -25 

¶ Massey SoS #s are rounded. 

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4️⃣8️⃣ A side-by-side ranking of this week's remaining playoff contenders. 

🤔 WOPR sorted for all-class by place only - no obscure numbers here; same for strength of schedule. 

masseyratings.com/hsf/KY_All-Class

All-Class Ratings

KY 48 | Team | (Class Rank)

1. Trinity (6A 1) 2. Male (6A 2) 3. Boyle Co. (4A 1) 4. Corbin (4A 2) 5. Douglass (6A 3) 

6. Cov Cath (4A 3) 7. Highlands (5A 1) 8. CAL (3A 1) 9. Franklin Co. (4A 4) 10. Ballard (6A 4) 

11. Tilghman (4A 5) 12. Bowling Green (5A 2) 13. Bryan Station (6A 5) 14. LCA (2A 1) 15. O'boro Cath (2A 2) 

16. Beechwood (2A 3) 17. Cooper (5A 3) 18. Ryle (6A 6) 19. Mayfield (2A 4) 20. Lex Cath (3A 2) 

21. Owensboro (5A 4) 22. Central (3A 3) 23. Southwestern (5A 5) 24. Hart Co. (3A 4) 25. Pikeville (1A 1) 

26. Johnson Central (4A 6) 27. Central Hardin (6A 7) 28. Union Co. (3A 5) 29. Bell Co. (3A 6) 30. North Laurel (5A 6) 

31. Raceland (1A 2) 32. Campbellsville (1A 3) 33. Bardstown (4A 7) 34. Atherton (5A 7) 35. KCD (1A 4)  

36. McCracken Co. (6A 8 ) 37. Rockcastle Co. (3A 7) 38. Green Co. (2A 5) 39. Somerset (2A 6) 40. Spencer Co. (4A 8 ) 

41. Sayre (1A 5) 42. East Carter (3A 8 ) 43. Fairdale (5A 8 ) 44. Shelby Valley (3A 7) 45. New Cath (1A 6) 46. Middlesboro (1A 7) 47. Martin Co. (2A 8 ) 48. Ludlow (1A 8 ) 

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All-Class Strength of Schedule

masseyratings.com/hsf/KY_All-Class 

KY 48 | Team | (Class Rank)

1. Trinity (6A 1) 2. Douglass (6A 2) 3. Male (6A 3) 4. Ballard (6A 4) 5. Ryle (6A 5) 

6. Bryan Station (6A 6) 7. Bowling Green (5A 1) 8. Central (3A 1) 9. Boyle Co. (4A 1) 10. Highlands (5A 2) 

11. Lex Cath (3A 2) 12. Cov Cath (4A 2) 13. Owensboro (5A 3) 14. LCA (2A 1) 15. Central Hardin (6A 7) 

16. CAL (3A 3) 17. Cooper (5A 4) 18. Southwestern (5A 5) 19. Corbin (4A 3) 20. Beechwood (2A 2) 

21. Johnson Central (4A 4) 22. Franklin Co. (4A 5) 23. Tilghman (4A 6) 24. McCracken Co. (6A 8 ) 25. North Laurel (5A 6) 

26. Mayfield (2A 3) 27. Raceland (1A 1) 28. Pikeville (1A 2) 29. O'boro Cath (2A 4) 30. Bardstown (4A 7) 

31. Spencer Co. (4A 8 ) 32. Hart Co. (3A 4) 33. Bell Co. (3A 5) 34. Fairdale 5A 7) 35. Union Co. (3A 6) 

36. KCD (1A 3) 37. Somerset (2A 5) 38. Green Co. (2A 6) 39. Campbellsville (1A 4) 40. New Cath (1A 5) 

41. Rockcastle Co. (3A 7) 42. Shelby Valley (2A 7) 43. East Carter (3A 8 ) 44. Atherton (5A 8 ) 45. Martin Co. (2A 8 ) 46. Middlesboro (1A 6) 47. Sayre (1A 7) 48. Ludlow (1A 8 ) 

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2️⃣4️⃣ The semifinalists ranked side-by-side via Professor Massey's algorithm. 

🍀 Trinity (6A) is Kentucky's No. 1 team for the eighth consecutive week. Boyle Co.(4A), CAL (3A), Highlands (5A), and Pikeville (1A) remain at the head of their respective classes. Owensboro Catholic slips into the top of 2A following Mayfield's defeat of LCA. 

🍀 & 🐴 Trinity and Frederick Douglass schedules are tied for first as the toughest played by Kentucky teams to date. 

✓ Class Rank (CR) denotes standing among the four semifinalists within that class.

masseyratings.com/hsf/KY_All-Class

📝 All-Class Semifinalists Ratings 

KY | Team (Class Rank) | KY SoS 

1. Trinity (6A - 1), Tie 1

2. Boyle Co. (4A - 1), 15

4. Douglass (6A - 2), Tie 1 

5. Cov Cath (4A - 2), 29 

8. CAL (3A - 1), 33 

9. Highlands (5A - 1), 21 

10. Tilghman (4A - 3), 65 

11. Ballard (6A - 3), 9

12. Franklin Co. (4A - 3), 60 

13. Bryan Station (6A - 4), 7 

14. Bowling Green (5A - 2), 18 

16. O'boro Cath (2A - 1), 70 

17. Beechwood (2A - 2), 57 

18. Cooper (5A - 3), 32 

20. Mayfield (2A - 3), 56 

24. Owensboro (5A - 4), 30 

25. Lex Cath (3A - 2), 25 

29. Hart Co. (3A - 3), 89 

31. Pikeville (1A - 1) 79 

40. Bell Co. (3A - 4), 98 

44. Raceland (2A - 2), 76 

47. Campbellsville (1A - 3), 134 

63. Somerset (2A - 4), 130 

68. KCD (1A - 4), 129 

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🆘  All-Class Strength of Schedule 

SoS | Team (Class Rank) | KY Rating

Tie 1. Trinity (6A - 1), 1 

Tie 1. Douglass (6A -2), 3

7. Bryan Station (6A - 3), 13 

9. Ballard (6A - 4), 11 

15. Boyle Co. (4A - 1), 2 

18. Bowling Green (5A - 1), 14

21. Highlands (5A - 2), 9 

23. Lex Cath (3A - 1), 25 

29. Cov Cath (4A - 2), 5 

30. Owensboro (5A - 3), 24 

32. Cooper (5A -4), 18 

33. CAL (3A - 2), 8 

56. Mayfield (2A - 1), 20 

57. Beechwood (2A - 2), 17 

60. Franklin Co. (4A - 3), 12 

65. Tilghman (4A - 4), 10 

70. O'boro Cath (2A - 3), 63 

76. Raceland (1A - 1), 44 

79. Pikeville (1A - 2), 31 

89. Hart Co. (3A - 3), 29 

98. Bell Co. (3A - 4), 40 

129. KCD (1A - 3), 68 

130. Somerset (2A - 4), 63 

134. Campbellsville (1A - 4), 47 

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 WOPR wishes everyone safe travels and injury free games for all. 

Massey - KY Top 20

Massey - KY Top 20 SoS