Bengal Maniac Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The fact that nobody has called Jones on this tells me they don't think he's bluffing. or maybe some players are ignoring it all. I would love to see them do it. Now Jerry will do whatever it takes to win and if these three knelt over multiple games he'd acquiesce. Jerry wants to win rather than e politically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StickerMann Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Good, I hope she gets one of those shows so she can spew her political ideas and let someone take her espn job that will spew their sports. It is getting hard to find something on TV that isn't political anymore? Late night "comedians" spew political drivel, ESPN has it's agenda they're pushing, and don't get me started on Hollywood? Might be fun to watch a sporting event one day, and only hear sport's commentary? What a novel idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jericho Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 If they want to raise awareness of social injustice and racial equality then why not just boycott playing and sit out. Then they will get what they want. No National Anthem since the country is so bad to them and maybe one day get rid of the American flag altogether since it's racist too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal Maniac Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 If they want to raise awareness of social injustice and racial equality then why not just boycott playing and sit out. Then they will get what they want. No National Anthem since the country is so bad to them and maybe one day get rid of the American flag altogether since it's racist too. That is not what they are protesting. Not one has condemned the National Anthem or mistreated the flag that is not their issue and never has been. Nor saying things to dishonor those who served. But you know that and evidently don't believe them. None of this has been bad in my opinion. Kap wearing the socks that portrayed LE as pigs was awful and totally disrespectful. That is the one that ticked me off. I have no sympathy for Jemele Hill. his was her second social media offense after , I assume, told to not repeat the behavior. She is a smart lady, knew what she was doing, and is dealing with the consequences she undoubtedly knew would come. It doesn't make any difference if she is right or wrong in my thinking on the issue, if ESPN is a fair or unfair place to some, is hypocritical, it is defiance straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal Maniac Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I have made points that if Dak, Zeke and Dez defied the demands of the boss, Jerry would change his tune, I believe that. However, if the boss says it, it is legal and reasonable, and you defy it, you should face the consequences. I just don't think he'd do that with those three. What if 20-25 did? I am not sure he would stay with it either. I don't think we will ever find out because the Cowboys appear to be on board with not kneeling. But part of me would love to see what would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguru Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Most knew what they were doing. Let's see what Jerry would do if Zeke, Dak, and Dez knelt during the anthem. I guarantee he wouldn't stay the course. I hope all this goes away, but if it doesn't and someone tests Jerry I hear what you are saying @Bengal Maniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I don't believe there is collusion by the owners on keeping Kaepernick out of the league. I do believe that Kaepernick's actions have hurt him when owners have considered him as an option, mainly out of concern the impact it would have with fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plantmanky Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I agree. Jerry is just saying what 90% of the owners are thinking. Also, Goodell has been shockingly quiet about this. The league will fine you for not wearing your socks correctly but is letting the players break written rules on this... Smart move by the league. Will come in handy down the road if they can continue to be quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal Maniac Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I don't believe there is collusion by the owners on keeping Kaepernick out of the league. I do believe that Kaepernick's actions have hurt him when owners have considered him as an option, mainly out of concern the impact it would have with fans. He also has not been on a team to get in game condition or have timing in 15-18 months. That has to play in the decision right now. Not in July, but now it does. It would take way too long to get him there at this point in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StickerMann Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 That is not what they are protesting. Not one has condemned the National Anthem or mistreated the flag that is not their issue and never has been. Nor saying things to dishonor those who served. But you know that and evidently don't believe them. None of this has been bad in my opinion. Kap wearing the socks that portrayed LE as pigs was awful and totally disrespectful. That is the one that ticked me off. I have no sympathy for Jemele Hill. his was her second social media offense after , I assume, told to not repeat the behavior. She is a smart lady, knew what she was doing, and is dealing with the consequences she undoubtedly knew would come. It doesn't make any difference if she is right or wrong in my thinking on the issue, if ESPN is a fair or unfair place to some, is hypocritical, it is defiance straight up. So what exactly ARE they supposedly protesting? Didn't the whole Kap thing start over the long ago debunked "Hand's Up, Don't Shoot" lie from the thug in St. Louis?? While I've heard of no players directly disrespecting the military, many feel that disrespecting the National Anthem by kneeling IS disrespecting those who've fought & died for the Flag? The entire thing is getting quite stale & old IMO, as I tune into sports for entertainment and a diversion from the everyday chaos? If they want to be social warriors, then go be social warriors; but don't expect to be paid like entertainers if you do?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantNKY Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Ask yourself this simple question: If Kaepernick had knelt in order to protest the unfair treatment of veterans after they fulfill their duties and the fact that they do not receive the care they are promised, would that be disrespecting the flag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantNKY Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 If you say no, then you are a total hypocrite and its not the kneeling that you don't like it's why their kneeling and you are just trying to change the subject because it makes you uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal Maniac Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 So what exactly ARE they supposedly protesting? Didn't the whole Kap thing start over the long ago debunked "Hand's Up, Don't Shoot" lie from the thug in St. Louis?? While I've heard of no players directly disrespecting the military, many feel that disrespecting the National Anthem by kneeling IS disrespecting those who've fought & died for the Flag? The entire thing is getting quite stale & old IMO, as I tune into sports for entertainment and a diversion from the everyday chaos? If they want to be social warriors, then go be social warriors; but don't expect to be paid like entertainers if you do?? They are protesting the social injustices they believe how blacks are being treated and mostly at the police brutality towards blacks and the court systems they believe will not prosecute LE. You probably knew that you just don't apparently agree, which of course, is fine. But so is their right to send their message legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantNKY Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 They are protesting the social injustices they believe how blacks are being treated and mostly at the police brutality towards blacks and the court systems they believe will not prosecute LE. You probably knew that you just don't apparently agree, which of course, is fine. But so is their right to send their message legally. The topic makes people uncomfortable. Thats why the conversations always turn to disrespecting the flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StickerMann Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 They are protesting the social injustices they believe how blacks are being treated and mostly at the police brutality towards blacks and the court systems they believe will not prosecute LE. You probably knew that you just don't apparently agree, which of course, is fine. But so is their right to send their message legally. I realize that's the line now, but didn't it start over the STL incident? Forgive me if it gets confusing what is being protested by who these days, as I've seen everything from the police to Trump to Christopher Columbus to Cat in the Hat to guns to anyone with an opinion opposite the Kardashians, etc. protested? Guess I'm getting a little weary of the political dialogue in sports, which used to be a break from real life; and the "eternal society of victimhood" created by our politicians. Maybe if these so-called football players weren't so tired from protesting and kneeling, they could put on a Monday night game where they outscored a playoff baseball game?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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