Hypothetical, could a HS coach dictate where their players are permitted to play a club or select sport if they want to play HS for them during the school year?

This wouldn't be connected to a certain northern KY high school volleyball program would it?

The answer to that question is somewhat unclear. Can or should they do it? Absolutely not on both counts. However, we live in the real world. Just how are you going to prove that the coach's "subjective" selections for their high school team were driven by the players' club choices? They'll just say the other player was better in their opinion. Now if you can somehow get a player to wear a wire and record it, you might just be able to do something about it. Or, just make a big public stink about it to the local news, school board, or KHSAA--it'll be harder for them to do it. Big ethical issues when the coach has a financial interest in the club program.

The answer to that question is somewhat unclear. Can or should they do it? Absolutely not on both counts. However, we live in the real world. Just how are you going to prove that the coach's "subjective" selections for their high school team were driven by the players' club choices? They'll just say the other player was better in their opinion. Now if you can somehow get a player to wear a wire and record it, you might just be able to do something about it. Or, just make a big public stink about it to the local news, school board, or KHSAA--it'll be harder for them to do it. Big ethical issues when the coach has a financial interest in the club program.

 

Hypothetically if I was talking about a volleyball club in the area and hypothetically a handful of players left the another club they were playing for since they were little to move to the new club due to a coach of a certain high school was on the staff of another club. Hypothetically if I had a parent tell me directly that was why they were leaving so they would make the school team the next season. Would there be ethical issues with a high school coach doing this to players and families. Hypothetically of course.

It would be highly unethical for a coach to do that. The problem is proving it. Who's gonna publicly admit it or complain about it? A good coach is going to pick the best players period, end of story, regardless of where they play club. Some expect they may get some competitive advantage by continuing their coaching during club season or by having the girls play together more.

I will say this though, it is said that if you're going to play at Assumption, then you better play at KIVA. However, I don't believe Kordes would turn down Anna Zweibel because she plays for Union. As a coach, I would hope my players played club for their betterment, but I could care less where they played. Now, if they played for a crappy club, and they exist, I would try to steer them to a better option, but wouldn't tell them their high school career depended on their choice.

Additionally, good club directors are doing club as a business--it's their livelihood. They aren't going to pick players because for their school affiliation. Using KIVA as an example again, the main setters for the 15, 16, 17 & 18 year old teams last year were not Assumption players. He picked the best regardless.

Hypothetically if I was talking about a volleyball club in the area and hypothetically a handful of players left the another club they were playing for since they were little to move to the new club due to a coach of a certain high school was on the staff of another club. Hypothetically if I had a parent tell me directly that was why they were leaving so they would make the school team the next season. Would there be ethical issues with a high school coach doing this to players and families. Hypothetically of course.

 

If you are talking about NDA, I don't think there is anything hypothetical about it. A school program built on the backs of NKYVC for the past 15 or so years will have 3 NKYVC players and 1 Elevation player next season. The other 20-25 will all play for Buck's club TSE. Whether said out loud by Buck and his people or not, it is definitely implied to play and advance at NDA, you have to be cream of the crop or play for his club.

Club choices are going to be influenced y the coaches affiliation. That's just the way it has been and will be. The girls will follow the coach. I still believe it's unethical for the coach to just come out and say it when they really don't need to.

I was waiting to see what was going to happen with the club situation in Louisville with the Mercy coaching change. Girls had been going to Union because both Garveys were there. Would Thomerson stay there? He is staying there and the effects are being seen full bore now. Union has continued to grow, with even more girls headed that way if they want to play at SH or Mercy. Kiva is still Kiva--they've got girls who expect to play at lots of schools. SH and Mercy won't turned down a good Kiva player. MAVA has felt the effects of not being associated with a Catholic HS, and has lost multiple girls from all age levels the last 2 years. I have even heard that they wouldn't even have a 10U team at all this year--they have always had a great 10U program. Unbelievable. People are headed to the other programs because that's where the best high school coaches are. Just a fact of life.

Club choices are going to be influenced y the coaches affiliation. That's just the way it has been and will be. The girls will follow the coach. I still believe it's unethical for the coach to just come out and say it when they really don't need to.

I was waiting to see what was going to happen with the club situation in Louisville with the Mercy coaching change. Girls had been going to Union because both Garveys were there. Would Thomerson stay there? He is staying there and the effects are being seen full bore now. Union has continued to grow, with even more girls headed that way if they want to play at SH or Mercy. Kiva is still Kiva--they've got girls who expect to play at lots of schools. SH and Mercy won't turned down a good Kiva player. MAVA has felt the effects of not being associated with a Catholic HS, and has lost multiple girls from all age levels the last 2 years. I have even heard that they wouldn't even have a 10U team at all this year--they have always had a great 10U program. Unbelievable. People are headed to the other programs because that's where the best high school coaches are. Just a fact of life.

 

There is a difference between being influenced and being told that if your daughter wants to play for us during HS they must play for my club. I guess the sad thing is that this may be the only way for certain clubs to advance is to take from the best. If these teams end up playing at AAU nationals or JO Nationals at the end of June look for KHSAA violations to occur when you have HS coaches on the sidelines coaching his own HS girls from his highschool during the dead period. Maybe when the HS teams in the state start getting penalized for doing this parents will speak out.

 

Parents should have the right to choose who their child plays for during the club season.

There is a difference between being influenced and being told that if your daughter wants to play for us during HS they must play for my club. I guess the sad thing is that this may be the only way for certain clubs to advance is to take from the best. If these teams end up playing at AAU nationals or JO Nationals at the end of June look for KHSAA violations to occur when you have HS coaches on the sidelines coaching his own HS girls from his highschool during the dead period. Maybe when the HS teams in the state start getting penalized for doing this parents will speak out.

 

Parents should have the right to choose who their child plays for during the club season.

I fully agree with you that there is a difference. A coach shouldn't flat out say it when, to be honest, it doesn't really need to be said. Parents should have a choice, but it is what it is. Everyone will feel that I have a leg up, they have to be involved in his program. Unless you're the best of the best, and in that case they won't turn you down for their HS.

As to AAU and JO's and the dead period, they can work around it. Been that way for years and never been an issue. That's why there's an assistant coach, and why most of the coaches stick with the 13s and 14s. Those girls aren't in their program yet, and the dead period rules don't apply.