Cleveland PD Shoots and Kills 12-Year-Old

[Clyde]

Sad, sad story. 911 call said a kid was waving a gun on the playground. Caller said it was a juvenile and that it's probably a fake gun. Police fired at the kid when he pulled the fake gun out of his waistband.

 

 

Boy with replica gun fatally shot by Cleveland police

[Jumper_Dad]

Police weren't told that it was possibly a fake gun by dispatchers according to a story I read before church tonight.

 

Sad story, though...I can't imagine being the officer and having to live with this, even though it sounds like he did what he should have.

 

Story also said that the Orange tip was removed or covered in some way.

[Blue Magic]

Why couldn't they rubber bullet him with a rifle?

[Clyde]

Why couldn't they rubber bullet him with a rifle?

 

The only question that's fair is should they have shot at all? Once the decision is made to shoot you shoot to kill.

[Jumper_Dad]

Why couldn't they rubber bullet him with a rifle?

 

You never approach someone using less force than they have...the police thought he had a pistol. Therefore they met force with force of equal or greater value.

[Jumper_Dad]

The only question that's fair is should they have shot at all? Once the decision is made to shoot you shoot to kill.

 

Once he went to draw the gun out of his pants after being told to put his hands up (if that happened as reported), there wasn't much else they could have done...except take a chance with their life that he had no ill will or intent.

[Bluegrasscard]

Seems like a very tragic chain of events. Its not like toy guns were invented yesterday.

[Jumper_Dad]

This is the gun I believe...

 

 

Jeff Follmer, president of the Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, said the officers were not told the caller thought the gun might be fake.

The officer called to the playground outside a city recreation center saw the pistol sitting on a table or bench, and watched the boy grab it and put it in his waistband, Follmer said.

[JokersWild24]

This is the gun I believe...

 

 

Quote that the officer saw the boy grab it and put it in his waistband is a lot different than him being told to put his hands up and him pulling it.

[halfback20]

 

Quote that the officer saw the boy grab it and put it in his waistband is a lot different than him being told to put his hands up and him pulling it.

 

From what I read he saw him pick it up of a table and put it in his waist band. He then told him to put his hands up at which point he reached for the gun.

 

They are two separate acts that happened one after the other the way I read it.

[JokersWild24]

From what I read he saw him pick it up of a table and put it in his waist band. He then told him to put his hands up at which point he reached for the gun.

 

They are two separate acts that happened one after the other the way I read it.

 

Gotcha. Definitely makes more sense.

 

Also, BB/Airsoft guns look way more realistic than toy guns.

[Jumper_Dad]

 

Quote that the officer saw the boy grab it and put it in his waistband is a lot different than him being told to put his hands up and him pulling it.

 

Never mind HB answered already

[halfback20]

 

Gotcha. Definitely makes more sense.

 

Also, BB/Airsoft guns look way more realistic than toy guns.

 

The Orange tip was apparently removed also.

[hoops5]

Awful. This is one of those things where you wish it was like the movie "Groundhog Day"; and everyone could wake up and start the day over again.

 

So much pain all around.

[JCVD]

This is the gun I believe...

 

 

Nothing about that gun looks like a toy