UFC 75: Champion vs. Champion

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    Quote Originally Posted by mexitucky
    Rich "Ace" Franklin
    It's possible, but I have serious doubts. You never know in MMA though...if Rich wins, you all can rub it in on me, but as of now, I'm pencilling Silva in for the W.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habib
    I used to like Bisping. I didn't watch the Ultimate Fighter so I don't know anything about Hamill, seemed like a lot of people didn't like him. But, Bisping came out hamming for the cameras and being generally pompous and arrogant. I didn't like that. Then he took a sound beating for three rounds, had a gift of a decision handed to him then goes straight to trash talking a DEAF guy! I thought that showed a huge lack of class, he had to know that decision was wrong, I can't support him in the future.

    Cro Cop didn't match up well with Kongo. Kongo used his size to subdue him and wrestle him around. He had him up against the cage several times and Cro Cop couldn't seem to get away. He seemed to stalk Kongo like he usually does but he wasn't aggressive, just followed him around the ring, I think he could have won if he threw a lot of punches and kicks while stalking him.

    Rampage is growing on me. That was a great fight and I'm glad that's how it went. His post-fight was a riot. "I wanted to slam him because I haven't slammed any folks in a while but then I remembered he's all Greco-Roman so I just swung on him..."

    I too would like to see Henderson step down and fight 185. I think he's better suited for that weight anyhow.
    Rampage is funny. I didn't mind him winning, but I was for Henderson because I like him better. I thought it was a good matchup...I don't think Rampage's victory was dominating, but it was definite. He clearly won at least 3 rounds, IMO...Hendo won the first, and there was one more that was pretty close, so the decision was correct. I thought it was a good competitive fight though...Rampage was just better. I'm not sure Henderson could have done anything differently. Those are two of the toughest guys you'll ever see in the cage...they both took some big shots and just kept coming. If you want to know how tough Rampage is, just watch his matches against Shogun and Wanderlei Silva...he took some monster beatings in those matches before the fights were stopped. Lesser men would have been done well before Rampage was...

    I agree with you on Bisping. I kinda liked him before this fight. His post-fight actions turned me against him...when your hometown judges basically give you a victory that you didn't earn, at least have the decency to show a little class in after the fight. What a joke...you can't even argue that he won a round, IMO and yet he gets a split decision....I fully expect to see Dana White give us a rematch in the states where Hamill will get a fair shake. Again, UFC should be ashamed and embarassed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5wide
    It's possible, but I have serious doubts. You never know in MMA though...if Rich wins, you all can rub it in on me, but as of now, I'm pencilling Silva in for the W.
    How often have you penciled others in the past in for a W? GSP? Arlovski? I know I've been using my eraser quite a bit in the past couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsKitty
    How often have you penciled others in the past in for a W? GSP? Arlovski? I know I've been using my eraser quite a bit in the past couple of years.
    Yeah, I'm never shocked anymore by what happens, so I'm not putting Frankin's chances at nil...but I just can't bring myself to think he's got a real good chance from what I've seen from these two in the past year or so.

    I've not been real impressed with Rich since he got beat and I've been extremely impressed with Silva. I hope it's a great fight, but I'm just giving you my opinion. I think Silva will win by TKO at some point in the first two rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsKitty
    How often have you penciled others in the past in for a W? GSP? Arlovski? I know I've been using my eraser quite a bit in the past couple of years.
    I've penciled Cro Cop in 3 times now and I'm 1-2...

    Let's see...others that I was pretty sure about and turned out to be wrong...

    Hughes over GSP, GSP over Serra

    The thing about GSP is that I haven't seen him much, so I didn't know how explosive he was. Had I known, I wouldn't have been so sure of Hughes and I would have been even more confident that he would beat Serra. Thinking he'd beat Serra had as much to do with my lack of respect for Serra as it did my respect for GSP.

    Who else?

    Arlovski over Silva (Part 2)

    And, how about this one for you?

    Rich Franklin over Anderson Silva...I didn't know anything about the Spider, so the first time around, I was pretty confident Rich would win.

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    Here are the fights that surprised me...not necessarily about who won, just about how:

    Gonzaga over Cro Cop
    Couture over Sylvia
    Sylvia over Arlovski X2
    St.Pierre over Hughes
    Serra over St.Pierre
    Kongo over Cro Cop

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5wide
    Yeah, I'm never shocked anymore by what happens, so I'm not putting Frankin's chances at nil...but I just can't bring myself to think he's got a real good chance from what I've seen from these two in the past year or so.

    I've not been real impressed with Rich since he got beat and I've been extremely impressed with Silva. I hope it's a great fight, but I'm just giving you my opinion. I think Silva will win by TKO at some point in the first two rounds.
    You were impressed with Anderson Silva when he fought Travis Lutter? I think Lutter could have finished him had he been 100%.

    Rich was impressive against Jason McDonald. Not so much against Okami. He was impressive in several fights before the matchup with Silva. Let's not forget that Rich was absolutely not 100% in their first fight, and it was his gameplan to clinch with The Spider. Hopefully, that's not the case this time. Don't get me wrong....I believe Anderson Silva is the heavy favorite. I just can't understand why so many people aren't even giving Rich a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5wide
    I've penciled Cro Cop in 3 times now and I'm 1-2...

    Let's see...others that I was pretty sure about and turned out to be wrong...

    Hughes over GSP, GSP over Serra

    The thing about GSP is that I haven't seen him much, so I didn't know how explosive he was. Had I known, I wouldn't have been so sure of Hughes and I would have been even more confident that he would beat Serra. Thinking he'd beat Serra had as much to do with my lack of respect for Serra as it did my respect for GSP.

    Who else?

    Arlovski over Silva (Part 2)

    And, how about this one for you?

    Rich Franklin over Anderson Silva...I didn't know anything about the Spider, so the first time around, I was pretty confident Rich would win.
    I had a lot less confidence in Rich going into that fight than I do for 77. He was coming off a big injury and hadn't fought in 8 or 9 months. Plus, I had just seen Anderson Silva demolish Chris Leben.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsKitty
    You were impressed with Anderson Silva when he fought Travis Lutter? I think Lutter could have finished him had he been 100%.

    Rich was impressive against Jason McDonald. Not so much against Okami. He was impressive in several fights before the matchup with Silva. Let's not forget that Rich was absolutely not 100% in their first fight, and it was his gameplan to clinch with The Spider. Hopefully, that's not the case this time. Don't get me wrong....I believe Anderson Silva is the heavy favorite. I just can't understand why so many people aren't even giving Rich a chance.
    I was impressed that despite being put in an adverse situation, Silva maintained his composure and still acted as if he was in complete control of the fight...I haven't seen many fighters who do that, and the ones I have seen that do are all great. It reminds me of Fedor who seems like everything is going exactly as he planned no matter what's happening, whether he's getting slammed on his head and bent like a pretzel, or destroying someone.

    Lutter had one flurry when he got on top of Silva, but it didn't appear to do a huge amount of damage and he missed an armbar that they blame on him being weak, but how do we know. The fact is, Silva answered the only question I had about him in that fight...ground skills. He finished a ground fighter from his back by getting him in a triangle choke and elbowing him into submission.

    And the fact that Rich Franklin got exactly what he wanted in the first fight, the clinch, and got completely destroyed isn't a reason for confidence in my view. He got destroyed with plan A, so now he's going to plan B...why should I expect it to result in a victory against a guy who has shown little weakness in any facet of his game.

    When a guy gets beat as bad as Rich Franklin did the first time, you just don't expect him to win the rematch unless you're a fan. Silva's dismantling of Franklin is one of the worst beatings I've seen in the Octagon, plain and simple. I don't think he'll repeat that performance, but I don't think he'll lose either.

    Was it just me, or did Cro Cop look eerily similar to Franklin in the Kongo match a few times? After Kongo landed a few knees, Cro Cop had his arms down holding them real stiff, just like Franklin against Silva...it totally reminded me of that fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfback20
    Bisping will dominate Hamil IMO...
    I was wrong on Hendo and Crocop...but I have been reading that Hamil has been a beast in training. To the fact that he has been owning everyone at Big Bear (including Tito and 'Page) on the ground. I read that Tito said he is one of the best wrestlers he has ever faced...so I expected Hamil to put Bisbing on the ground and keep him there. Where I was suprised is I think Hamil actually won the standup too. He def got a hose job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5wide
    And the fact that Rich Franklin got exactly what he wanted in the first fight, the clinch, and got completely destroyed isn't a reason for confidence in my view. He got destroyed with plan A, so now he's going to plan B...why should I expect it to result in a victory against a guy who has shown little weakness in any facet of his game.
    I was just suggesting that had Rich chosen not to clinch, the pace may have been different. Anderson Silva may not have necessarily pushed the clinch. I think that Rich still would have lost, because he was not the same fighter that he had been for the 4 previous fights.

    Sometimes plan B is better than plan A. It's worked for others in the past. I'm guessing that getting taken down and having to submit someone from his back was not plan A for Silva in the Lutter fight. I've heard "shows little weakness in any facet of his game" (in so many words) about several fighters, and they still manage to get beat. Even The Spider has 4 losses.

    I know as well as anyone else that Anderson Silva is probably the better fighter. I'm not arguing against that. I just don't think you can necessarily predict the outcome of the next fight, based on their first fight, considering the circumstances surrounding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5wide
    And the fact that Rich Franklin got exactly what he wanted in the first fight, the clinch, and got completely destroyed isn't a reason for confidence in my view. He got destroyed with plan A, so now he's going to plan B...why should I expect it to result in a victory against a guy who has shown little weakness in any facet of his game.
    But, let's be honest, it's a bad strategy to go in and clinch a Muay Thai guy like Silva. If anything that should be plan: last resort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfback20
    Here are the fights that surprised me...not necessarily about who won, just about how:

    Gonzaga over Cro Cop
    Couture over Sylvia
    Sylvia over Arlovski X2
    St.Pierre over Hughes
    Serra over St.Pierre
    Kongo over Cro Cop
    I agree with those, and will add a few.

    Couture over Randleman
    Koscheck over Sanchez
    Henderson over Axe Murderer or Jackson
    Penn over Gomi

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsKitty
    I was just suggesting that had Rich chosen not to clinch, the pace may have been different. Anderson Silva may not have necessarily pushed the clinch. I think that Rich still would have lost, because he was not the same fighter that he had been for the 4 previous fights.

    Sometimes plan B is better than plan A. It's worked for others in the past. I'm guessing that getting taken down and having to submit someone from his back was not plan A for Silva in the Lutter fight. I've heard "shows little weakness in any facet of his game" (in so many words) about several fighters, and they still manage to get beat. Even The Spider has 4 losses.

    I know as well as anyone else that Anderson Silva is probably the better fighter. I'm not arguing against that. I just don't think you can necessarily predict the outcome of the next fight, based on their first fight, considering the circumstances surrounding it.
    And I'm not arguing that anything can happen in an MMA fight. But, when I add up all I know and all I've seen from both Silva and Franklin, I see nothing that would lead me to pick Rich Franklin. I'm not saying Anderson Silva is unbeatable, nor do I think he is...I just don't think Rich Franklin is one of the guys who can beat him.

    I don't think there is any chance Franklin catches Silva with one big shot and puts him out. So, after you take that out of the way...I give Silva a huge advantage in striking if the fight stays standing and I give him the advantage on the ground as well.

    Franklin might surprise me with a dominating performance...it's happened before as we all know. I'm not trying to offend you or start an argument. This is just how I feel about this fight. If I'm wrong, it won't be the first or last time...and it won't stop me from telling you what I think next time.

    All I've got to go by is Franklin hasn't looked nearly as good to me since Silva beat him and Silva has been dominant in the UFC with the exception of a few minutes against Lutter. Add that to the way he beat Franklin in the first fight and I can't reach any other conclusion.

    The only way I could pick Franklin is to say, "Well, anything can happen in the cage. Look at all the upsets lately. I think Rich will do it too."

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    My favorite fighter is Cro Cop BUT he needs to fight LH. He just isn't big enough top fight HW's in the cage.

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