Yet Another Fantasy Trade Question

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    Yet Another Fantasy Trade Question

    I know I asked for some help before, but reflecting on week 1 has me begging for advice again. The trade:

    I give: Matt Leinart, Larry Johnson, Joey Galloway
    I get: Alex Smith, Shaun Alexander, D.J. Hackett

    Hackett's hurt, but I have Roy Williams and T.J. Houshmandzadeh starting anyway. Galloway is just a backup as is Hackett. Only concern is bye weeks and injuries there. Leinart and Smith are almost a wash IMO. I'd rather have Leinart, but whatever. The crux of the trade is obviously LJ for SA. Am I wrong to panic this quick to negotiate a trade that deals LJ? He will go through 5 weeks of pain before any alleviation comes. After that the schedule gets easier, but does that matter? The offense is terrible other than him, and the offensive line is terrible. They'll be all over him. Whaddya think?
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    I think you should hold on to what you have. I don't like that trade that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonFire
    I know I asked for some help before, but reflecting on week 1 has me begging for advice again. The trade:

    I give: Matt Leinart, Larry Johnson, Joey Galloway
    I get: Alex Smith, Shaun Alexander, D.J. Hackett

    Hackett's hurt, but I have Roy Williams and T.J. Houshmandzadeh starting anyway. Galloway is just a backup as is Hackett. Only concern is bye weeks and injuries there. Leinart and Smith are almost a wash IMO. I'd rather have Leinart, but whatever. The crux of the trade is obviously LJ for SA. Am I wrong to panic this quick to negotiate a trade that deals LJ? He will go through 5 weeks of pain before any alleviation comes. After that the schedule gets easier, but does that matter? The offense is terrible other than him, and the offensive line is terrible. They'll be all over him. Whaddya think?
    Wow that's almost an identical trade.

    Leinart/Smith advantage sligthly Leinart... with his receiving core.

    LJ/Shaun advantage sligthly Alexander... better passing attack, more consistent and a slightly better line. Hard to trade against LJ potential though. I also NEVER go by schedule. If the guy is a stud the guy is a stud. So what he only puts up league average points against a great team.

    Galloway/Hackett advantage Galloway. I think he will be Garica's go to man. Hackett still trying to make a name for himself could be a good #2 receiver someday.

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    I don't like it for you. Stand pat. Hackett is worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKPat02
    I don't like it for you. Stand pat. Hackett is worthless.
    I really don't even need him though. I have Houshmandzadeh and Roy Williams 1-2. 90% of the time I won't even consider Jennings or Hackett or Galloway or whoever I have. It's an RB centric league and I NEED two stud RBs. I have Edgerrin James who looks like he is going to be much improved. LJ was my first round pick and I need some value from him or whoever my RB1 is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportz Addict
    Wow that's almost an identical trade.

    Leinart/Smith advantage sligthly Leinart... with his receiving core.

    LJ/Shaun advantage sligthly Alexander... better passing attack, more consistent and a slightly better line. Hard to trade against LJ potential though. I also NEVER go by schedule. If the guy is a stud the guy is a stud. So what he only puts up league average points against a great team.

    Galloway/Hackett advantage Galloway. I think he will be Garica's go to man. Hackett still trying to make a name for himself could be a good #2 receiver someday.
    Good stuff. My only disagreement is to say that he did not put up average points against a great team. LJ put up league average against a poor team. A great team is going to hammer him.

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    I'm with you. I am not high on LJ at all this year. I would take it, the rest of the players in the trade are a wash. I also have a philosophy that if you really watch the waivers you can almost always get a decent 3rd reciever. So, unless you think you can get someone better than SA in a trade involving LJ, I'm taking this trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonFire
    Good stuff. My only disagreement is to say that he did not put up average points against a great team. LJ put up league average against a poor team. A great team is going to hammer him.
    While I like the trade for you because I thiunk Alexander will have a better year due to LJ, I will say that Houston's D is young and not too shabby in it's own right. The Texans problems started on the offensive side of the ball, but that seems to be better. KC can't say the same...their O is looking bad.

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    I like Leinart over Smith and I like SA over LJ. If it were a keeper league I probably wouldn't pull the trigger but I think SA will have a great bounce back season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonFire
    Good stuff. My only disagreement is to say that he did not put up average points against a great team. LJ put up league average against a poor team. A great team is going to hammer him.
    Personally, I don't think you can trade anyone after week one. LJ missed almost all of camp and didn't get a heavy load in week one did he? He almost had 100 total yards if not 100 and like I said a TD to go with that and he had a great week.

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    This trade was offered to me today.

    I give: Steven Jackson and Deverey Henderson
    I get: Travis Henry and LenDale White

    I'm giving it serious consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Charms
    This trade was offered to me today.

    I give: Steven Jackson and Deverey Henderson
    I get: Travis Henry and LenDale White

    I'm giving it serious consideration.
    IMO Lendale White is worthless. I love Travis Henry and the loss of Pace from the line in St. Louis is damaging to Jackson. However he is still a better player and will rebound. Essentially you're trading straight up Jackson for Henry, which is a bad deal and in acuality you're giving him the better player in Henderson for White. Don't do it.

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    So basically, it's LJ for Shaun Alexander? If I were going to make the trade, I'd just include those two but, I'd keep LJ, if I were you...you're mistaken about LJ not putting up numbers against good teams. If you check his performances against good defenses, he produces. The fact is, he's the second best RB in the NFL, so he can produce against anybody...

    Here's what he did against good defenses last year...

    2006
    @ Denver - 27 rush, 126 yds, 5 rec, 41 yds, 0 TD
    @ Pittsburgh - 15 rush, 26 yds, 3 rec, 6 yds, 1 TD
    San Diego - 28 rush, 132 yds, 2 rec, 29 yds, 2 TD
    Seattle - 39 rush, 155 yds, 2 rec, 26 yds, 4 TD
    @ Miami - 18 rush, 75 yds, 2 rec, 14 yds, 1 TD
    Oakland - 31 rush, 154 yds, 2 TD
    Denver - 34 rush, 157 yds, 1 TD
    Baltimore - 23 rush, 120 yds, 0 TD
    @ San Diego - 19 rush, 84 yds, 0 TD
    @ Oakland - 31 rush, 135 yds, 1 TD
    Jacksonville - 33 rush, 138 yds, 5 rec, 22 yds, 3 TD


    I wouldn't buy into the idea that LJ won't do anything because the schedule is tough, nor worry about it. If I was going to trade LJ for anyone other than LT, I'd make sure I was getting the better end of the deal at the other positions. I think Alexander is a bigger risk than LJ, but even if both stay healthy, I'd bet on Johnson to give you better fantasy production. I think Alexander is on the backside of his career and LJ is at his peak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5wide
    So basically, it's LJ for Shaun Alexander? If I were going to make the trade, I'd just include those two but, I'd keep LJ, if I were you...you're mistaken about LJ not putting up numbers against good teams. If you check his performances against good defenses, he produces. The fact is, he's the second best RB in the NFL, so he can produce against anybody...

    Here's what he did against good defenses last year...

    2006
    @ Denver - 27 rush, 126 yds, 5 rec, 41 yds, 0 TD
    @ Pittsburgh - 15 rush, 26 yds, 3 rec, 6 yds, 1 TD
    San Diego - 28 rush, 132 yds, 2 rec, 29 yds, 2 TD
    Seattle - 39 rush, 155 yds, 2 rec, 26 yds, 4 TD
    @ Miami - 18 rush, 75 yds, 2 rec, 14 yds, 1 TD
    Oakland - 31 rush, 154 yds, 2 TD
    Denver - 34 rush, 157 yds, 1 TD
    Baltimore - 23 rush, 120 yds, 0 TD
    @ San Diego - 19 rush, 84 yds, 0 TD
    @ Oakland - 31 rush, 135 yds, 1 TD
    Jacksonville - 33 rush, 138 yds, 5 rec, 22 yds, 3 TD


    I wouldn't buy into the idea that LJ won't do anything because the schedule is tough, nor worry about it. If I was going to trade LJ for anyone other than LT, I'd make sure I was getting the better end of the deal at the other positions. I think Alexander is a bigger risk than LJ, but even if both stay healthy, I'd bet on Johnson to give you better fantasy production. I think Alexander is on the backside of his career and LJ is at his peak.
    Last year is last year. There are a lot of differences between the two. For starters LJ rushed 400+ times last year and was a threat to break down this year. Additionally he is not expected to get nearly that many touches this year, which reduces his value somewhat. Ignoring these concepts is why I drafted him in the first place. But it sounds like general consensus that I should turn this down. Let me ask this: does a change to Galloway for Reggie Brown or Greg Jennings for Hackett or Brandon Jones change anything? In either of those scenarios I'd have a healthy third receiver instead of two injured 3/4 receivers.

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