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    2 winning seasons in 20 yrs ? Im all about being a loyal fan but there comes a point when you have to make smarter decisions with your money. CP is done, I am done wasting money on them and they will be possobly the 3rd or 4th thing I think about on Sundays in the fall. Buying season tix is like going to the casinos. House always wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    I completely agree. That is just how Cincinnati fans are in this area in all sports. The Bengals could start off 2 and 0 next year and Palmer be playing great, and in the third game say even if the ball is tipped at the line and picked off for a pick 6. People will start booing, and say put in Dalton. That is always the most popular thing to do in Cincy, once one bad thing happens people want that person gone. We have seen it with the Reds the last 2 years, half the team wouldn't be on the team anymore if people got there way and had the guys gone when they wanted. So yes if Palmer came back he would have to be basically perfect, or else most of these same people will be complaining.
    This one is all on CP. Blaming the fans is a cop out imo. It was CP who said he was done, and wanted out or would retire. If he would swallow his pride and comeback, then any fan criticism is on him, not the fans. He is the one who dug this hole and he is the one who will have to dig out of it.

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    TRADE HIM. Get some value that will help the team. The OLine needs a lot of help. The DLine needs depth, and it wouldn't hurt to get another DE if they want to give a Giants type nickel package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomanEmpire View Post
    This one is all on CP. Blaming the fans is a cop out imo. It was CP who said he was done, and wanted out or would retire. If he would swallow his pride and comeback, then any fan criticism is on him, not the fans. He is the one who dug this hole and he is the one who will have to dig out of it.
    We are talking about the fans reaction if he came back. What I said in the post you quoted would still happen even if Palmer never asked to be traded. That is just how fans are in Cincy.

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    If he does retire what does that do for the books of the Bengals? Does that free up money for them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    I completely agree. That is just how Cincinnati fans are in this area in all sports. The Bengals could start off 2 and 0 next year and Palmer be playing great, and in the third game say even if the ball is tipped at the line and picked off for a pick 6. People will start booing, and say put in Dalton. That is always the most popular thing to do in Cincy, once one bad thing happens people want that person gone. We have seen it with the Reds the last 2 years, half the team wouldn't be on the team anymore if people got there way and had the guys gone when they wanted. So yes if Palmer came back he would have to be basically perfect, or else most of these same people will be complaining.
    Sometimes the fans are right. The Reds were completely blown up to arrive where they are now. Go back 5 years and look at the roster

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    We are talking about the fans reaction if he came back. What I said in the post you quoted would still happen even if Palmer never asked to be traded. That is just how fans are in Cincy.
    Why shouldn't the fans be all over him? He has not performed very well in a while. For whatever reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachicrunch View Post
    Sometimes the fans are right. The Reds were completely blown up to arrive where they are now. Go back 5 years and look at the roster
    When were the Reds blown up? Yes, I don't doubt there has been a big turnover on the team if you compare players from say 4 years ago to now, but they were never "blown up". It was a gradual transition as the youngsters grew into major leaguers.

    As to Palmer, I think he does the Bengals a favor if he stays out, at least from the marketing side. The fans want new and they will warm to Dalton quickly if the team is competitive and he is at least average. Winning with Dalton is much better for the fans than winning with Palmer. But that is the big hurdle - can they win with Dalton?

    I think Palmer will stay out and I think the Bengals will trade him during the season as the trade deadline nears if they can get what they feel is value and the team is competitive with Dalton. Those are the two big if's in that scenario, with the biggest if being getting what Mike Brown considers proper value for Palmer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    When were the Reds blown up? Yes, I don't doubt there has been a big turnover on the team if you compare players from say 4 years ago to now, but they were never "blown up". It was a gradual transition as the youngsters grew into major leaguers.

    As to Palmer, I think he does the Bengals a favor if he stays out, at least from the marketing side. The fans want new and they will warm to Dalton quickly if the team is competitive and he is at least average. Winning with Dalton is much better for the fans than winning with Palmer. But that is the big hurdle - can they win with Dalton?

    I think Palmer will stay out and I think the Bengals will trade him during the season as the trade deadline nears if they can get what they feel is value and the team is competitive with Dalton. Those are the two big if's in that scenario, with the biggest if being getting what Mike Brown considers proper value for Palmer.
    I believe the statement by current Reds management was "we are changing the environment in the clubhouse." And yes, the Reds were blown up. BP is the only field player remaining from 4-5 seasons ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachicrunch View Post
    I believe the statement by current Reds management was "we are changing the environment in the clubhouse." And yes, the Reds were blown up. BP is the only field player remaining from 4-5 seasons ago.
    I don't consider the Reds blown up because BP is the only remaining player. To me "blown up" meant wholesale changes were made in one season with multiple trades and the team gave up on winning for one or two seasons to build a whole new team. That never happened with the Reds. Maybe it is just semantics and our definitions of "blown up" differ, but to me the Reds were never "blown up". By your definition, the Bengals have been "blown up" several times in the past 20 years. I am sure there is more than one time you can compare a Bengals team from one season to a team from 4 years previous and there are very few of the same players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    I don't consider the Reds blown up because BP is the only remaining player. To me "blown up" meant wholesale changes were made in one season with multiple trades and the team gave up on winning for one or two seasons to build a whole new team. That never happened with the Reds. Maybe it is just semantics and our definitions of "blown up" differ, but to me the Reds were never "blown up". By your definition, the Bengals have been "blown up" several times in the past 20 years. I am sure there is more than one time you can compare a Bengals team from one season to a team from 4 years previous and there are very few of the same players.
    OK. Anyway my point is that the fans are not always wrong. When your multi million dollar QB , performs as poorly as CP has the past couple of seasons, I would think some negative feelings will, and rightfully so, be expressed. Will the moving on of Carson Palmer be the cure that the Reds found by finally dumping their overpaid so called stars? Probably not, as it still comes down to the competency of the owners and management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachicrunch View Post
    Sometimes the fans are right. The Reds were completely blown up to arrive where they are now. Go back 5 years and look at the roster
    The Reds right now are like the Bengals in 2005 and 2006. The Reds did just like the Bengals did and were a young team with talent that surprised people and won the division. Then in 2006 the Bengals still with plenty of talent, ended up choaking away the playoffs at the end of the year. So if anything the Reds are following what the Bengals did, and just hopefully the don't let it slip like the Bengals did in 2006. Because if they do we might see the same slide back down like the Bengals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachicrunch View Post
    OK. Anyway my point is that the fans are not always wrong. When your multi million dollar QB , performs as poorly as CP has the past couple of seasons, I would think some negative feelings will, and rightfully so, be expressed. Will the moving on of Carson Palmer be the cure that the Reds found by finally dumping their overpaid so called stars? Probably not, as it still comes down to the competency of the owners and management.
    Fans are not always wrong, but they are usually more wrong than right. Those same Reds you talked about wouldn't even have half the players on the team anymore if the fans got their way when those guys struggled. Would be no Bruce, Stubbs, Rolens, or Phillips. All were guys especially last year at some point people were talking about how they just were not good or ready to be in the major leagues. Most fans don't look at the big picture, and see maybe why a person may be struggling at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    Fans are not always wrong, but they are usually more wrong than right. Those same Reds you talked about wouldn't even have half the players on the team anymore if the fans got their way when those guys struggled. Would be no Bruce, Stubbs, Rolens, or Phillips. All were guys especially last year at some point people were talking about how they just were not good or ready to be in the major leagues. Most fans don't look at the big picture, and see maybe why a person may be struggling at the time.
    I don't recall much talk about not having those guys on the team. With Bruce and Stubbs most conversation was about sending them down to AAA when they were struggling. BP? maybe a little negativity when he was dogging some plays. Rolen? He seems pretty well recieved by the fans. Again, this is about Palmer. If he remains in Cincy, he will be crucified for every mistake he makes. And, IMO, deservedly so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachicrunch View Post
    I don't recall much talk about not having those guys on the team. With Bruce and Stubbs most conversation was about sending them down to AAA when they were struggling. BP? maybe a little negativity when he was dogging some plays. Rolen? He seems pretty well recieved by the fans. Again, this is about Palmer. If he remains in Cincy, he will be crucified for every mistake he makes. And, IMO, deservedly so...
    Saying they were not ready for the Major Leagues, and should use them for trade bait. Phillips people really were wanting him gone for dogging his plays, and people was wanting to get something for him. Then Rolen at the end of the year people were wanting out since he was struggling. This city wants basically anyone gone once things start going bad, and hardly ever look at the big picture...As for Palmer you are right he will be crucified for every mistake he makes, but doesn't mean it will be deservedly so. I mean if he did come back, and says starts off good. Then it would not be deserved to get back to the he is horrible if he does make a mistake. You are right that they will be on him not matter what, which might be deserved or might not be depending on how he does. As a Bengal fan I hope we find out, because I believe the Bengals could with this schedule this year make a run at another division title. Which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for Dalton to learn for a year or two. This team has done the right thing building for the future, but however can still win now while also still preparing for the future.

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