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Considering Meade County QB John Wilson was voted on by the coaches as Area Offensive Player of the Year, then he should be first team. It would look bad for the Overall Offfensive Player of the Year to be second team. Only one first-team QB. Thus, Krupinski was second team (and got nothing All-State wise). Which meant North Hardin's Bankhead -- who finished in the top four in the state in passing yards per game regardless of class -- was honorable mention All-Area (he got nothing All-State wise). As good as Wilson, Krupinski and Bankhead were, it's tough to vote for them for All-State. Especially when you only get two picks. And to vote for them over Mr. Football Sindelar and other guys would be bad. However, Wilson was also a great safety. Nearly first kid in area history to sweep Offensive and Defense player of the year in the same season (he finished second on defense, but was overwhelmingly the top safety). It was much easier for Wilson to earn All-State on defense because you vote for far more safeties than you do QBs.And he got second team All-State (plus, you can't make All-State both ways anyway -- limited to one side of the ball, which therefore honors more players). How many media members around the state you think would have voted for Krupinski or Wilson or Bankhead? And as good as Krupinski and Wilson and Bankhead were, I'm not so sure they were better than Zuberer of O'Cath and Ryan of LexCath. And Zuberer and Ryan couldn't crack the team either. It's clear the coaches themselves didn't think Wilson-Krupinski-Ryan-Zuberer were All-State stone cold lead pipe locks.

Heck of a lot more stats in baseball/softball. Football you have four offensive (rushing, passing, receiving, scoring), kicking (XP, field goals) and three defensive (tackles, fumbles, interceptions). Baseball and softball can take forever to decipher a book. Ks, Walks, Runs allowed, Earned Runs allowed, Wins, Losses, Walks, Hit by pitch, Total hits, 1Bs, 2Bs, 3Bs, HRs, RBIs, SBs, Runs scored. The KHSAA record book includes most of those. Plus, far more rain outs/cancellations in baseball/softball (you play one a week in football, and soccer stats are goals and assists and that's pretty much it). KHSAA is also using basketball as a transfer backup. Meaning if a team reports stats and reports a player plays in a varsity game, that player is now bound by the transfer rules. If a JV or freshman kids never plays varsity (dressing is OK, but it's actually getting on the court that matters), he or she could transfer no questions asked because he/she never established varsity residency.

Not too much bias if other O'Cath players made it too. The problem with Zuberer is this: While you vote for 10 (TEN) Offensive linemen (five first team, five second team), and 8 (EIGHT) defensive linemen (four first team, four second team), you vote for a grand total of 2 QBS (one first team, one second team). A first-place vote for an OL gets you 10 points (since you vote for 10), but a first-place vote for a QB only gets you 2 (since you vote for 2). I could name more QBs than OL or DL, yet more OL and DL make the team (since it is not broken up by C, LG, LT, RG, RT, DE, NG, DT). So it was much easier for his fellow Aces to make the team than it was for Zuberer. Koree Krupinski of CH (2013 Area Offensive Player of the Year, 2014 Area Offensive Runner-up, 2014 Louisville vs. State offensive MVP) didn't get HM either. Nor did Reece Ryan. Lots of good QBs don't make honorable mention (same thing for decent kickers and punters since you only vote for 2 each as well).

The BGP team is always solid. It also goes last most of the time, which means it can wait on the LHL and CJ and AP teams to be released and the Senior All-Star teams to be announced. While the AP team was just released, votes were done a while ago. When you go last, you better be the best. Because you can see what those before you did well and you can learn from their mistakes.

They don't release it (Mr. Football votes or All-State). It would be nice if they did, but even the voters themselves don't know what the final tallies were.

Most of the time when someone asks about football D-I scholarship offers, they mean FBS preferably to FCS. And actual scholarship compared to walk on. And NO PAPER (outside of the LHL or CJ themselves) have ANYTHING to do with LHL Class of the Commonwealth or Courier-Journal Coaches' All-State (which is ran by the CJ, but voted on by the Coaches' themselves). Not News-Enterprise. Not BG Daily News. Not Pikeville Appalachian News-Express. Not Somerset Commonwealth Journal. Not The State Journal of Frankfort. Not The News-Graphic of Georgetown. Not the Kentucky New Era of Hopkinsville. As far as AP All-State, gonna take far more than just the E'town paper to get a kid first or second team. Or just the BG paper. Or just the Hopkinsville paper. Or just the Ashland paper (which apparently chose not to vote). Obviously the E'town paper doesn't have near as huge pull/power as you think it does since ZERO E'town-area kids made first team and only two made second team ... ONE FROM MEADE COUNTY (your own school). If it's about making honorable mention, eh. There's posters on here (see previous pages on this thread) who suggest honorable mention: - Takes more than one vote - Is done away with completely. Either way, that doesn't help an shafted/forgotten/excluded player. But to answer Jason Frakes' question, ZERO players (that we know of) have viable FBS scholarship offers were left off the CJ team. At least no one has provided a name for such snubbed player who is sitting on an FBS offer. Also: John Wilson made AP All-State. ... What school is he from (hint: NOT from Hardin County)?

Can you make a walkon and make an impact? Sure. Ravi Moss in basketball for UK fans. Many kickers are walkons (because schools don't want to waste a full-ride on a specialty position). You can keep playing the game and further learn the game as a walkon. Get to travel. Get bigger, faster, stronger. But in the big scheme of things, those walkons are going to have less of an impact -- either because there are more scholarship players than there are walkons, or because the scholarship players are better than the walkons -- than the players the schools decided were worth the money (given actual scholarships). But a QB headed to a FBS program in a "Power 5" Conference is a world apart than a LB, FB, TE walking on at an obscure FCS school who few people could name the conference it is in, the team's nickname or even the city (or state) the school is located. That's like equating someone given a basketball scholarship to play at Louisville is the same as walking on at Radford or Quinnipiac or McNeese State (you still get to be on the team, right? You still get to practice, right? You still get a ring on the off chance the team does anything, right?). Um, no. Of course, maybe a walkon becomes the next J.J. Watt or Clay Mathews or Logan Mankins or Jordy Nelson or Santana Moss. But most walkons don't have that type of "physical freak" specimen build, glue-like hands or lightning-strike speed, either. At least not walkons from Kentucky high schools. Who are five walkons -- in the history of football -- from Kentucky high schools who had a major impacts?

In past years, it took MULTIPLE votes to make honorable mention (not just from one local paper). That might have changed ...

It's a computer-ranking system ran by the Lexington Herald Leader (similar to the Litkenhous of the Courier-Journal). Not an arbitrary human vote by any means. Record, strength of schedule and point differential (close losses and blowout wins help) all play a factor. Games against non-KY teams do not count (because it's hard to rate them).

The representation is an issue, however it is a fairly recent once. Up until 2012, NKY had more than dozen AP All-State selections every year. When the Cincy/NKy papers merged into Cincy papers first, that changed. Since the Cincy papers aren't going to pay for Kentucky AP membership -- I do NOT blame them, they already pay their Ohio dues -- now they don't vote. That needs to be looked at. If you do, though, you're also inviting the Madison Indiana paper (covers Mason County), a West Virginia paper (covers Belfry), a Tennessee paper from Clarksville (covering Fort Campbell) and an Illinois paper which covers some WKY schools. There is NEKY representation, but Ashland apparently chose not to vote this year. Ashland has had plenty of kids make it in the past, so this is not a yearly concern. I'm in favor of a committee All-State team. Don't know where or when they would meet though (maybe the last KHSAA meeting of the year or the first KHSAA meeting in January)? That way they could do it and let the KHSAA know immediately (and media members of the committee could cover the KHSAA meeting if newsworthy). However, more All-Star Teams and All-State Teams gives more kids different ways to be honored (if they are shafted on all six though ...)

Being asked to walk on at a FCS school is not the same -- not remotely the same -- as what Harris, Sindelar, Reece Ryan, Quinton Baker, etc., have. Meaning they go to a big-time school, do not pay and have a better shot to play. Walk-on offers mean little. Still paying a ton to go to school. Very little chance to see the field. May not get same stuff as scholarship players do. Considering them the same as players with multiple full-ride FBS scholarships who have maxed out their official visits is crazy. No coach or media member worth his salt would equate the two. Former E'town QB Kyle Todd and former John Hardin TE Chris White both walked on at Louisville. White played a little. Not sure Todd ever saw a snap (he transferred to a JUCO to try to get another D-I or D-II school to look at him). However, doesn't mean any all-State team whiffed on Todd and White (who weren't listed on many All-Star or All-State teams) their senior years because Todd and White walked on at a FBS school. Neither one had a major impact. In many cases, it would be better for a kid to take a D-II offer than to walk on at a D-I program (even a small FCS one). Also, size has a lot to do with it. Ask Meade County coach Larry Mofield about Chris Roe and Nick Stinnett. Colleges loved Stinnett's size and build, but Stinnett didn't have a the grades (and other things) to be able to play at the D-I level. Roe, a two-time Area Defensive Player of the Year (even NFL player Brandon Deaderick didn't do that), had the grades. Had the technique. Had the attitude. But did NOT have the size. Mofield practically had to beg in-state NAIA programs to give Roe a look. So D-I FCS and FBS and D-II offers are not the end-all, be-all, but they are a good starting point. FCS walk-on is about a 4-of-5 on the D-I scale (FBS scholarship, FCS scholarship, FBS walk-on, FCS walk-on, play for non-scholarship FCS such as Morehead or Dayton or San Diego or Valpo). And I might be mis-ranking the Ivy League in there as it has produced some NFL players.

The C-J team is much like that, but A LOT easier. Coaches nominate (without having to write grafs and statements on each and every kid they nominate). Coaches vote. Except just about half of them do (which means more than 40 percent -- sometimes closer to 50 or 60 percent -- do NOT). The BGP team is the only one left that could be considered the most accurate, but I'm guessing people will have issues with it, too: C-J COACHES: Not enough coaches voting. AP MEDIA: Not enough spread-out representation. LHL COACHES + PAPER: Seniors only, not all positions represented. Plus, only 20 or 22 spots. GLFCA SENIOR ALL-STARS: Rest of state need not apply. Underclassmen? Who cares! EAST VS. WEST SENIORS (TEAM LOUISVILLE VS. TEAM KENTUCKY): Louisville gets half of representation? C'Mon Man! And youngsters (Fr-So-Jr), bye bye. KENTUCKY VS. TENNESSEE BORDER BOWL: Perceived as too EKY. Some kids turn down because of basketball (and therefore not listed). Some kids turn down because they've already played in previous all-star games (therefore not listed). Some kids not nominated by their coach (therefore not listed). At least six all-star/all-state teams have been announced and none have been perfect. BGP could change that, but that's an awfully hard task.

Murrer was second-team defense by the Courier-Journal, so he was NOT left off the Courier-Journal team. Branden Johnson of Dixie Heights was second team DL, so he was NOT left off the Courier-Journal team.

Olmstead was honorable mention All-State by the C-J. Hedger wasn't listed, but it's harder for TEs to make it when they're lumped in with WR or OL and not by themselves (same with FB when they're lumped in with RB). According to yahoo, Hedger has three offers (Austin Peay, Hampton and Holy Cross), but none from the 70+ FBS schools (when Jason Frakes was talking about D-I, he was probably referring to FBS and not FCS which non-scholarship Morehead, non-scholarship Dayton and the non-scholarship Ivy League schools play in). Big difference between Auburn and Austin Peay or between Hawaii and Hampton. http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Andrew-Hedger-163580/print

Let me rephrase that for Jason Frakes: How many kids with FBS offers (NOT preferred walk-on, but actual scholarships) did NOT make the Courier-Journal All-State Team as selected by the coaches? Not talking about the AP team (which had only 2 NKY kids). We're talking about the C-J team (which had far more NKY kids). How many kids have FBS offers didn't make the C-J team (completely left off, as in not even honorable mention) as voted on by the coaches themselves?