Reds Core Four?

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    Reds Core Four?

    I was just wondering, the Yankees have a core four in that they keep those four......Jeter, Posada, Rivera and Pettite that started as a Yankee out of their farm system in tact as a centerpiece of the team and build around them. Those four have been with the Yankees through several championships and provide leadership for new players rather they come via the farm system or trades/signings.
    My question/topic is does this Reds team/defending central division champs have a core of players that they will or should keep as a core/leaders to build around?
    Who are they and what are some opinions on this?
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    I think that keeping a core of players as stability and to build around is important and some Reds that I would keep as a base would be........

    J. Votto
    B. Phillips
    J. Bruce
    M. Leake or T. Wood(I wanted a pitcher in the group and I love the way both of these guys go about pitching and think that either will be good big league pitchers for years)

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    I think Stubbs is in the conversation as is the catching duo.

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    ^ Not bad choices at all,especially a catcher. Up the middle is imo where a team is built.....C, SS, 2B, CF. I would love to keep all for years but that is probably not going to happen. Especially should they want to trade/ reduce payroll to make room for a really big name player should any come availible in the future. (no one in paticular)

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    I just hope most of this team can be kept together. I'd love to see Chapman become one of the core guys but he's either going to throw his arm out or someone will outbid Cincy in the future.

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    Imagine if they still had Hamilton? Given getting Volquez in return was a pretty nice snag, putting another power bat in that outfield would really make the Reds lethal in the NL.



    I will say though that the trade may have been the best thing that could have happened to both Hamilton and Volquez because both have jump started their careers after the moves.

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    Let's put this a little differently. If you had to pick players off the team that you would be stuck with on your roster for the next 6 years and couldn't trade them or replace them, who would you pick? The only sure thing for me right now is Votto. Phillips is right there but he is 29. If you go out 6 years then he would be 35. Would you risk being stuck with him at age 33-35? Because of his all around game and great defense, I think I would go ahead and take the risk on Phillips. I like Hanigan but the Reds have some great young talent at catcher so I wouldn't lock myself in for 6 years with him. Bruce and Stubbs are borderline for me with it being more about potential than production at this point in time. The same is true for the young pitchers. Chapman you almost have to take a chance on because his talent is that rare. I don't see anyone else I would commit to for 6 years guaranteed with no option out. I do like Wood the best out of the other young pitchers because of his control and pitching savvy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Let's put this a little differently. If you had to pick players off the team that you would be stuck with on your roster for the next 6 years and couldn't trade them or replace them, who would you pick? The only sure thing for me right now is Votto. Phillips is right there but he is 29. If you go out 6 years then he would be 35. Would you risk being stuck with him at age 33-35? Because of his all around game and great defense, I think I would go ahead and take the risk on Phillips. I like Hanigan but the Reds have some great young talent at catcher so I wouldn't lock myself in for 6 years with him. Bruce and Stubbs are borderline for me with it being more about potential than production at this point in time. The same is true for the young pitchers. Chapman you almost have to take a chance on because his talent is that rare. I don't see anyone else I would commit to for 6 years guaranteed with no option out. I do like Wood the best out of the other young pitchers because of his control and pitching savvy.
    Votto and Chapman for me. They cannot be replaced IMO and though I like the other guys they all easily could. Votto is as good a hitter as there is and Chapman could change the game one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Let's put this a little differently. If you had to pick players off the team that you would be stuck with on your roster for the next 6 years and couldn't trade them or replace them, who would you pick? The only sure thing for me right now is Votto. Phillips is right there but he is 29. If you go out 6 years then he would be 35. Would you risk being stuck with him at age 33-35? Because of his all around game and great defense, I think I would go ahead and take the risk on Phillips. I like Hanigan but the Reds have some great young talent at catcher so I wouldn't lock myself in for 6 years with him. Bruce and Stubbs are borderline for me with it being more about potential than production at this point in time. The same is true for the young pitchers. Chapman you almost have to take a chance on because his talent is that rare. I don't see anyone else I would commit to for 6 years guaranteed with no option out. I do like Wood the best out of the other young pitchers because of his control and pitching savvy.
    You make some good points. I agree with Votto, that is a no brainer. I also would keep Phillips, besides his talents at the plate and excellent 2nd baseman imo he is a good one to keep as a leader for the younger players. I never would have thought that when the Reds first bought him in, I thought that he was a troublmaker and I am thrilled to eat crow on that one,lol. Woods is a very good young pitcher as imo is Leake. I would like to see both stay. Chapman I agree that just about has to be kept. A pitcher that 95mph can be considered an off speed pitch is pretty special.
    At any rate......isn't it so good to be talking about subjects that are positive about the Reds.......for far too long of a time there were few if any positives.

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