KHSAA says girls CAN NOT play!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldballcoach
    I believe that this rule should also be changed to the official start of the season. Let the girls play AAU ball until OCT. 15th. They then can represent their high school and have the best of both worlds. The only negitive I can think of is if a girl gets injured. That night make her High School coach upset.

    AAU/exposure season already runs from March until August.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doubledeuce
    D1 coaches who recruit all over the country did not know KY. had this rule?
    Are we the only state?
    Of the 40+ coaches i have talked to in the last three weeks not one of them knew Ky had this rule , which includes several Ky colleges. I am not sure if we are the only state with the rule but from the coaches I have talked to we are now the only state they know of.

    It doesn't matter that the exposure runs from March to August , there are only a few wks during that entire time that colleges can be there. One of those weekends includes the last weekend of September!

    InDaZone did hit it right on the head!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ptshooter
    InDaZone hit the nail on the head, all that needs to be done is to change the date to Oct 15th. No outside club/organization playing after the official date to start practice.

    No harm w/doing this and everyone should be happy. Why would the coaches and A.D.'s be upset w/this. I would think the coaches would love to hear they have players in the exposure camps. Again, who is H.S. athletics for, "the ADULTS" involved or the "KIDS" who love to play the game.
    Excellent post!!

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    The rule must change.

    Changing the rule from “first day of school” to “October 15th” would allow girls from Kentucky to be seen by hundreds of College coaches and scouts on September 29th and 30th. How can we have a rule that stops girls from playing basketball? What country is this?

    Please ask your school to file an amendment that will change the date on Bylaw 8, from first day of school to October 15th.

    I agree the rule "came about with good intentions," before exposure tournaments. This is even more of a reason to make a change. The rule is out dated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBALL
    After school begins, the KHSAA does not allow girls to play in Exposure basketball tournaments. So, while our girls sit at home, girls from Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania, etc. play in Exposure tournaments in front of hundreds of college coaches and scouts.

    Why? It has been this way for decades, says the KHSAA. Now, the staff at the KHSAA are not at fault for the rule, they just enforce it. So, if a Kentucky girl plays in an Exposure tournament, she would NOT be allowed to play high school basketball!

    I have been told the only way to change this rule is to ask my daughter’s H. S. Athletic Director to submit an amendment to the KHSAA. If you would like this rule changed, please talk to your H. S. Athletic Director.

    What do you think? Is this a good rule? Who does the rule benefit?
    There have been some recent changes in this regard. I was sent a notice out that they are going to allow certain things in order to be more on par with the boys spring opportunities. I would make sure I had my facts straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Play No Work
    Actually if someone were to file a lawsuit claiming that the "rule" is harming a player's chance to further their education via basketball that would get the attention immediately. Cite the slow pitch vs fast pitch case as evidence and it might be case closed.
    Yes it would be closed. It would be stated once again that there is no guarantee to a scholarship, and it is not a protected property right (as it has been many times in many jurisdictions) and the plaintiffs would be thrown out on their ears. The softball situation is a bit different as the state legislature mandated that change, not the courts. There was pending legal action, but that did not direct anything.

    The curious thing to me as a long time observer of this rule, is that Kentucky schools DO KNOW this rule (high schools). They know (or surmise) that fall basketball allowances in this particular state would probably have an impact on participation in volleyball on the girls side, and football (especially at the non varsity level) on the boys side, and don't like that. And the even more curious thing is that if this is such an issue, why has no school in the last many many years proposed the simplest fix, a rule change that would ease the restriction. Maybe the schools like the rule.

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    Either the rule needs to change or volleyball and soccer needs to be put under the same guidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doubledeuce
    AAU/exposure season already runs from March until August.
    OK But why shut them down from August until Oct 15th? No one has given any reasoning as to why this is the rule in KY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    Either the rule needs to change or volleyball and soccer needs to be put under the same guidelines.
    That happens and we will no longer have HS volleyball or soccer in the Commonwealth. The KHSAA know this and won't touch it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kissinger
    Yes it would be closed. It would be stated once again that there is no guarantee to a scholarship, and it is not a protected property right (as it has been many times in many jurisdictions) and the plaintiffs would be thrown out on their ears. The softball situation is a bit different as the state legislature mandated that change, not the courts. There was pending legal action, but that did not direct anything.

    The curious thing to me as a long time observer of this rule, is that Kentucky schools DO KNOW this rule (high schools). They know (or surmise) that fall basketball allowances in this particular state would probably have an impact on participation in volleyball on the girls side, and football (especially at the non varsity level) on the boys side, and don't like that. And the even more curious thing is that if this is such an issue, why has no school in the last many many years proposed the simplest fix, a rule change that would ease the restriction. Maybe the schools like the rule.

    Exactly my point above in another post, the "adults" involved at the H.S. like the rule, not the athletes or their parents. I have said it a million times and I guess I will say it a million more, high school athletics is for the students not the adults. When I hear coaches say "this is MY TEAM" I get very angry. It is not their team, the team belongs to those players first, then the school they represent and that community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachicrunch
    OK But why shut them down from August until Oct 15th? No one has given any reasoning as to why this is the rule in KY.
    Yeah we have, check out my posts #14 and #22.

    And then you commented on the reasoning in post #39.

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    V-ball kills B-ball in my area. The vball girls are told that if they don't play club/select ball they will never be seen by college coaches and most of the time they can not handle playing both so they give up bball at school because the parents are putting thousands of dollars toward the club vball team. I have been told soccer is the same way.

    The rule needs to be changed. Reading what LBC posted about the rule being put in to give the new sports a chance, well those so-called new sports ie: vball and soccer are not new any more and have had plenty of time, too much time, to get those programs underway. It's time to change the rule.

    The state of KY needs to keep up w/the times and get out of the dark ages. Think about it, we never start something until other states have been doing it for 10-15 yrs ie: spring football season is one example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    Yeah we have, check out my posts #14 and #22.

    And then you commented on the reasoning in post #39.
    Post 14 it you state protection of the students. Exactly which students and how does this protect them? And the next to help the fledgling sports. I understand the reasoning there. Is this rule not antiquated at this time? I was more or less asking if someone was in agreement with the rule as it stands today. I probably didn't specify that. Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by malachicrunch
    Post 14 it you state protection of the students. Exactly which students and how does this protect them? And the next to help the fledgling sports. I understand the reasoning there. Is this rule not antiquated at this time? I was more or less asking if someone was in agreement with the rule as it stands today. I probably didn't specify that. Sorry
    Definitely students who are basketball players. Coaches have been known to "require" things of basketball players that run afoul of their ability to play other sports. That was the protection I was referring to.

    Some would tell you that vball and soccer still needs that protection (I have had a discussion about this matter with a former KHSAA Board of Control person.) and the ability to allow them to play in the winter even though that is hurting basketball numbers. Not sure I agree with that as basketball is taking a hit with winter vball and soccer.

    Not words that are popular in this forum but basketball, soccer and volleyball do not compete on a level playing field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ptshooter
    V-ball kills B-ball in my area. The vball girls are told that if they don't play club/select ball they will never be seen by college coaches and most of the time they can not handle playing both so they give up bball at school because the parents are putting thousands of dollars toward the club vball team. I have been told soccer is the same way.

    The rule needs to be changed. Reading what LBC posted about the rule being put in to give the new sports a chance, well those so-called new sports ie: vball and soccer are not new any more and have had plenty of time, too much time, to get those programs underway. It's time to change the rule.

    The state of KY needs to keep up w/the times and get out of the dark ages. Think about it, we never start something until other states have been doing it for 10-15 yrs ie: spring football season is one example.

    I agree with you..If a girl wants to go to the next level in V-ball that is what they are told. The funny part is at our small school the best Volleyball players are the basketball players yet none of them can play club ball. If I were looking at girls for scholarships those are definitely the ones that would get them.

    I am tired of kids having to choose between playing for their school and playing on AAU teams or club teams.

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