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    Quote Originally Posted by BBTEA View Post
    Then let them do it. Itís allowed at a much easier rate at every other level. I grew very fascinated with what Joe Burrow did for LSU this year in football and it made me think what if he was never allowed to transfer? If players from an AAU program want to team up and play together I do not see a problem with that if all the parents are on board. Fans like to see great teams, obviously you would like to see kids stick it out but there are free college educations on the line for some of these families. To withhold them from that is unbelievable and wrong to me. Just my opinion.
    I understand what youíre saying here but my concern about allowing unrestricted transferring would be in just a few short years 3 or 4 schools would dominate high school basketball in the state with Oak Hill Academy type teams. A county such as Jefferson with over 700,000 people and probably 40 high schools have a huge potential for a few schools to corral many of the elite players in the county and form super teams. It would no doubt be fun to watch teams with that kind of talent perform but there would be such a wide gap between them and about 98% of the other schools in the state that no one else would have a chance. More than likely the pre-state tournament analysts would be basically talking about maybe 2 schools that could win the title and the rest of the field would be irrelevant.
    I can live with any changes made and will still be at the state tournament each year but it would take a lot of the intrigue out of the event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Professor View Post
    I understand what you’re saying here but my concern about allowing unrestricted transferring would be in just a few short years 3 or 4 schools would dominate high school basketball in the state with Oak Hill Academy type teams. A county such as Jefferson with over 700,000 people and probably 40 high schools have a huge potential for a few schools to corral many of the elite players in the county and form super teams. It would no doubt be fun to watch teams with that kind of talent perform but there would be such a wide gap between them and about 98% of the other schools in the state that no one else would have a chance. More than likely the pre-state tournament analysts would be basically talking about maybe 2 schools that could win the title and the rest of the field would be irrelevant.
    I can live with any changes made and will still be at the state tournament each year but it would take a lot of the intrigue out of the event.
    I hear you but it is already happening now anyways. There will be teams in the Sweet 16 with kids on their team that are either transfers or living out of that school district. Punishing the ones for flawed paperwork is pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Professor View Post
    I understand what you’re saying here but my concern about allowing unrestricted transferring would be in just a few short years 3 or 4 schools would dominate high school basketball in the state with Oak Hill Academy type teams. A county such as Jefferson with over 700,000 people and probably 40 high schools have a huge potential for a few schools to corral many of the elite players in the county and form super teams. It would no doubt be fun to watch teams with that kind of talent perform but there would be such a wide gap between them and about 98% of the other schools in the state that no one else would have a chance. More than likely the pre-state tournament analysts would be basically talking about maybe 2 schools that could win the title and the rest of the field would be irrelevant.
    I can live with any changes made and will still be at the state tournament each year but it would take a lot of the intrigue out of the event.
    I'm sorry but regardless of the year, there are no more than 3-4 teams that pre-state tournament analysts even talk about. Also, if you're worried about teams dominating regions like in Louisville, you are too late. Ballard and Trinity are already doing that and I believe you're about to see Butler and Fern Creek do the same thing in the 6th. Cov Cath has won 4 of the last 6 9th Region titles and that will be the norm as long as they operate how they currently do. No other schools besides Warren Central and Bowling Green have won a 4th Region title in the last 10 years. Only four schools have won the 2nd, 5th, 11th, and 14th Regions in that time span. Parity is not what we think it is in our state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DearToday View Post
    Couldn't agree more. Especially with the free educations on the line part. Adults would rather see a kid get a raw deal and sit on the bench or not be the best they can be, then move somewhere, flourish, and get their schooling paid for. Especially since everything was cleared already.
    If you lie, it is a heck of a lot easier to be cleared than to tell the truth and not meet qualifications/standards.

    Paperwork was wrong.
    Got caught later.
    These are the consequences.

    Being cleared under false pretenses doesn't mean the KHSAA has to eat its mistake (when it didn't even know it was a mistake) and doesn't mean Greenup to reap the benefits of sneaking one in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    Punishing the ones for flawed paperwork is pointless.
    It seems like, in this case, we are oscillating between "flawed paperwork" and an intentional attempt at dishonesty. Those two things aren't nearly the same thing. I guess when the dust settles, where this falls on that line will determine how most (or heck, maybe just me) of us will feel about this late-season decision by Greenup's Super.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HSBballfan1212 View Post
    I'm sorry but regardless of the year, there are no more than 3-4 teams that pre-state tournament analysts even talk about. Also, if you're worried about teams dominating regions like in Louisville, you are too late. Ballard and Trinity are already doing that and I believe you're about to see Butler and Fern Creek do the same thing in the 6th. Cov Cath has won 4 of the last 6 9th Region titles and that will be the norm as long as they operate how they currently do. No other schools besides Warren Central and Bowling Green have won a 4th Region title in the last 10 years. Only four schools have won the 2nd, 5th, 11th, and 14th Regions in that time span. Parity is not what we think it is in our state.
    I have to admit you definitely make valid points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Double Deuce View Post
    It seems like, in this case, we are oscillating between "flawed paperwork" and an intentional attempt at dishonesty. Those two things aren't nearly the same thing. I guess when the dust settles, where this falls on that line will determine how most (or heck, maybe just me) of us will feel about this late-season decision by Greenup's Super.
    To each his own. I’ve seen numerous attempts at dishonesty with spotless paperwork go unpunished. School rivals should have hired a private investigator, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Double Deuce View Post
    It seems like, in this case, we are oscillating between "flawed paperwork" and an intentional attempt at dishonesty. Those two things aren't nearly the same thing. I guess when the dust settles, where this falls on that line will determine how most (or heck, maybe just me) of us will feel about this late-season decision by Greenup's Super.
    The Super has no choice. I find no fault in the actions that were made. My beef is with the archaic transfer rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    To each his own. I’ve seen numerous attempts at dishonesty with spotless paperwork go unpunished. School rivals should have hired a private investigator, I guess.
    On the bigger issue, that kids should be able to go where they want, I stand with you.

    However, under the current rules, I'm not as quick to just dismiss intentional attempts to mislead. I don't think much is taught in terms of life lessons if we start fabricating information and suggesting that lie until your caught is the best approach. I mean, that seems like a pretty terrible idea, to be honest.

    To be fair, I know about "this" much about this situation, I'm speaking in the more general sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Double Deuce View Post
    On the bigger issue, that kids should be able to go where they want, I stand with you.

    However, under the current rules, I'm not as quick to just dismiss intentional attempts to mislead. I don't think much is taught in terms of life lessons if we start fabricating information and suggesting that lie until your caught is the best approach. I mean, that seems like a pretty terrible idea, to be honest.

    To be fair, I know about "this" much about this situation, I'm speaking in the more general sense.
    Of course if the transfer rules weren't as they are, and provided more freedom, the need to cheat/lie wouldn't be there. That being said, if you decide to break the rules, you run the risk of being caught, and punished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    Of course if the transfer rules weren't as they are, and provided more freedom, the need to cheat/lie wouldn't be there. That being said, if you decide to break the rules, you run the risk of being caught, and punished.
    Your tone tells me that you don't think we are saying the exact same thing. As the rules are, any intentional attempt to lie / cheat should be punished. Are we not in full agreement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach2002 View Post
    From what I understand, the player in question was cleared twice to play for this season. Lewis county hired a private investigator to looking into the player and I believe large his AAU coach. Upon the private investigator report Lewis county then took it to other school in the district and area to sign off on the complaint with them and sent it all to KHSAA. Which takes us to the letter on the 20th that informed Greenup Schools of some of those finding. Again this is what I’ve heard and read on other site, I’ve not heard anything first hand from people in position of knowledge at Greenup.
    If this is true surely a individual from Lewis Co. hired a private investigator and not the school system. I don’t think under Redbook rules schools must follow a school could use school money to hire a private investigator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Double Deuce View Post
    Your tone tells me that you don't think we are saying the exact same thing. As the rules are, any intentional attempt to lie / cheat should be punished. Are we not in full agreement?
    I agree. I just think that a large percentage of transfers involve an intentional attempt to lie/cheat so if you get caught you serve your punishment and I am good with that.

    I am also good with folks minding their own business and not actively trying to ruin a kid’s time playing an extra curricular activity while in high school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Double Deuce View Post
    Your tone tells me that you don't think we are saying the exact same thing. As the rules are, any intentional attempt to lie / cheat should be punished. Are we not in full agreement?
    Yep. I hate the rule. But it's rule, and if you break it, you better be prepared to deal with the consequences, and you have only yourself to blame. Also, though, the cheating happens because of the bad rule. Changing the rule and allowing transfers, gets rid of the need to skirt the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    I agree. I just think that a large percentage of transfers involve an intentional attempt to lie/cheat so if you get caught you serve your punishment and I am good with that.

    I am also good with folks minding their own business and not actively trying to ruin a kid’s time playing an extra curricular activity while in high school.
    Your last paragraph really has me to wondering.

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