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    Who Said It ?

    Who said:" The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure."
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    Does is rhyme with Shmobama?

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    It's been raised 11 times since 1996 so which leader are we talking about specifically?

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    Commando, I understand you, Mountain Ref and others don't like Obama. That's fine. I have no problem with that. But can we stop with the incessant threads about your disdain for him? If you'd like to start a thread about the particulars of our debt ceiling and what can be done to fix it I'm all ears. Debate is healthy, but there are no debates happening here, just another thread that might as well only read- "I don't like Obama."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoot Soup View Post
    Commando, I understand you, Mountain Ref and others don't like Obama. That's fine. I have no problem with that. But can we stop with the incessant threads about your disdain for him? If you'd like to start a thread about the particulars of our debt ceiling and what can be done to fix it I'm all ears. Debate is healthy, but there are no debates happening here, just another thread that might as well only read- "I don't like Obama."
    OK, lets debate.. Is Obama calling himself a failure or is that just for other leaders, not him??

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    Quote Originally Posted by cammando View Post
    OK, lets debate.. Is Obama calling himself a failure or is that just for other leaders, not him??
    Still not really debating. That question can be condensed to you saying "Obama is a hypocrite".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoot Soup View Post
    Still not really debating. That question can be condensed to you saying "Obama is a hypocrite".
    He is....Of course, what politician isn't?

    I think the criticism is completely fair game for Obama for one reason and one reason only....He ran on a campaign of change and hope, on one that he wasn't like the other politicians, etc. He's proven to be exactly what he promised he wasn't, and for that he should be called out IMO. Now having said that, I too am getting quite tired of all the threads cluttering up the P&R forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoot Soup View Post
    Still not really debating. That question can be condensed to you saying "Obama is a hypocrite".
    Typical liberal response.. Nothing of substance..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cammando View Post
    Typical liberal response.. Nothing of substance..


    Am I disappointed that Obama hasn't lived up to his pre-election goals? Of course I am. Am I disappointed with him as a president? I would say yes. Is he a hypocrite? Sure, but using that metric -undelivered promises- every politician in the history of man has been a hypocrite.

    Is that enough substance for you? Can we now stop the finger pointing and start having constructive debates as to how to fix the mess we're in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoot Soup View Post


    Am I disappointed that Obama hasn't lived up to his pre-election goals? Of course I am. Am I disappointed with him as a president? I would say yes. Is he a hypocrite? Sure, but using that metric -undelivered promises- every politician in the history of man has been a hypocrite.

    Is that enough substance for you? Can we now stop the finger pointing and start having constructive debates as to how to fix the mess we're in?
    Start with making the one who has driven our country deeper in debt that all the other presidents combined a lame duck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by History View Post
    Start with making the one who has driven our country deeper in debt that all the other presidents combined a lame duck.
    Great. Let's consider it done. What's next? How does the next president fix it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoot Soup View Post
    Great. Let's consider it done. What's next? How do we fix it?
    Complete overhaul of the tax code. Withdraw from military action in Libya, Afghanastan and Iraq without a message to the media first. Balance the budget for real-meaning no increase of the debt ceiling. Listen to the recommendations of the Hamilton tax group as well as Senator Ryan. There are no sacred cows. Eliminate successive terms for Federal elected officials. Make illegal all campaign contributions. Make illegal advertising for political office. That's a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoot Soup View Post
    Great. Let's consider it done. What's next? How does the next president fix it?
    The answer is quite simple. Spend less than you take in instead of more... Which programs to cut back on is the hard part.. We need better representative leadership on both sides of the aisle in D.C. Lets face it, both parties are lacking in true statesmen.. The debt needs addressed first but there are several other problems that need to be dealt with..

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