Whitley County & Southeast KY on Obamacare and Trump

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    The term "pretty uneducated" also applies to the actors in Hollywood, many of whom have no college education whatsoever. (For the record, I will say that you can be smart without having attended college.) However, I get tired of Hollywood types acting as if it's their way or the hghway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by capt278 View Post
    No college degree does not = uneducated.

    Some of you really need to understand this.
    Absolutely correct. Earning a college degree is a demographic that determines the amount of income you will make. There can be no disputing the more educated a person is, they significantly will earn more money in the vast majority of cases. Without a college education, the issue of generational poverty arises and that is where many in SE Ky communities and counties are. The percentage of poverty in Kentucky is much higher in SE Ky than the rest of the state. It is tied directly to educational levels.

    Many families left Appalachia in the 50's for factory jobs and better pay and most of those jobs were low skill. Those low skill jobs don't pay any more. You know that. The problem the last twenty years is that many of the kids that get college degrees don't come back home to live and work. That is because the jobs don't match their skill sets and degrees.

    It is not how smart you are for income and SE Ky has as many as anywhere else, in today's world it is how you are smart and how you use it to earn income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerDurden View Post
    Didn't watch the video, did you? If you had, you would have noted that in the first 20 seconds of the video, the narrator stated that Whitley County is 97% white and 88% of the residents over 25 don't have a college degree. Science Friction said zero about racism, and he was only making a very direct parallel to the education level of the demographic referenced in the OP.

    Soooooo...it only took 1 post for a conservative to knee-jerk and put words in the mouth of someone with more of a liberal perspective than their own without actually taking the time to review the content of the discussion thus far. That's gotta be close to a record!
    Calling someone uneducated just because they lack time in college is ignorant and If you think Science was not talking racism when he said bigot, then you obviously don't know his history in these threads.

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    If someone has no education past the education required by law that would be uneducated. Somewhere along in the division of social groups they were probably not college educated, but it got shortened.

    Some of you are applying a connotation of ignorant to uneducated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengal Maniac View Post
    Absolutely correct. Earning a college degree is a demographic that determines the amount of income you will make. There can be no disputing the more educated a person is, they significantly will earn more money in the vast majority of cases. Without a college education, the issue of generational poverty arises and that is where many in SE Ky communities and counties are. The percentage of poverty in Kentucky is much higher in SE Ky than the rest of the state. It is tied directly to educational levels.

    Many families left Appalachia in the 50's for factory jobs and better pay and most of those jobs were low skill. Those low skill jobs don't pay any more. You know that. The problem the last twenty years is that many of the kids that get college degrees don't come back home to live and work. That is because the jobs don't match their skill sets and degrees.

    It is not how smart you are for income and SE Ky has as many as anywhere else, in today's world it is how you are smart and how you use it to earn income.
    I would argue that plumbers, electricians, HVAC techs make signifigantly more than many liberal arts and business degrees.

    These vocations hold no college degrees.

    As a Captain on a large metro fire department, I was making much more money than many persons with degrees. I had no college degree.

    I see this as a major fallacy in today's society, we tell our kids the only way to succeed in life is with a college degree. This is simply not the truth.

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    I have a college degree and know many people who don't and can fix anything from cars, wiring a home, building a house, etc. You don't have to have a degree to be smart. Typical stereotype by you two.
    What's next, all people who live in Appalachia use an outhouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capt278 View Post
    I would argue that plumbers, electricians, HVAC techs make signifigantly more than many liberal arts and business degrees.

    These vocations hold no college degrees.

    As a Captain on a large metro fire department, I was making much more money than many persons with degrees. I had no college degree.

    I see this as a major fallacy in today's society, we tell our kids the only way to succeed in life is with a college degree. This is simply not the truth.
    Where did I say that the only way to succeed in life is to have a college degree? I am one of the strongest supporters of a technical education for kids in this state and have advocated for it personally in my various roles. My wife is a national director for career and technical centers and speaks weekly on it from the state of Washington to Alabama. I believe strongly in finding a skill set that require high specialization and the the earnings will follow.

    These persons hold certifications and postsecondary degrees. Persons in these fields are highly successful. Although the average person with 4 year degrees right now make more than technical degrees. Those have Masters in general earn more than those with 4 year college degrees. This can't be based on one person, it is a total demographic. Let's understand that many in SE KY don't have any type of post secondary degree or certifications either. That is the issue in SE Ky, in general they don't have the high level skills needed to be an electrician, fire fighter, information technologist, etc.

    Don't confuse what I have said with earning wages with success. Success is defined many ways. I will be the first in line to say college is not for everyone, but learning a high level, high demand skill is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    Regardless of their whiteness or their level of education, the fact remains that these people have voted against their own self-interests for decades. The question is.... why? I think many of them simply have no idea that they are compromising their own economic bests interests. And some just just don't care. The fact that they are voting against OBAMA is what matters most. You can't imagine the hate for him down here. Obama hate "trumps" even a pretense of rationality.
    You must talk to different people than me in the area. Most of the people I hear talking about President Obama think he is a good person, but not a good President. I believe that a lot of people's perspective on him may change over the next few years. Now Hillary Clinton is another matter, most people around here seem to despise her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    Regardless of their whiteness or their level of education, the fact remains that these people have voted against their own self-interests for decades. The question is.... why? I think many of them simply have no idea that they are compromising their own economic bests interests. And some just just don't care. The fact that they are voting against OBAMA is what matters most. You can't imagine the hate for him down here. Obama hate "trumps" even a pretense of rationality.
    Regardless of who those around you voted for, Democrats have pretty much controlled this state for the last 40 years+...did the Democrats just ignore Whitley, Knox and Laurel Counties all of these years? Maybe they voted they way they did because Frankfort wasn't getting anything done for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    Regardless of who those around you voted for, Democrats have pretty much controlled this state for the last 40 years+...did the Democrats just ignore Whitley, Knox and Laurel Counties all of these years? Maybe they voted they way they did because Frankfort wasn't getting anything done for them.
    That's actually a legit concern, considering that this area of Ky was a GOP stronghold long before NoKy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    Regardless of their whiteness or their level of education, the fact remains that these people have voted against their own self-interests for decades. The question is.... why? I think many of them simply have no idea that they are compromising their own economic bests interests. And some just just don't care. The fact that they are voting against OBAMA is what matters most. You can't imagine the hate for him down here. Obama hate "trumps" even a pretense of rationality.
    By own self interest you mean government hand outs ?

    It amazes the lack of understanding in this post. Maybe they thing what is in their own self interest in an economy that allows them to earn for themselves and not depend on the government. You know self reliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    I've known the people in that area all of my life. They're mostly all white, pretty uneducated , and have almost always voted against their own self-interests. Plus, there is a lot of bigotry in that area. It has always been quite mind-numbing and terribly frustrating to see these poor folks slit their own throats when they cast their ballots.
    You are so wrong. Only part you got right is mostly white.

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    This is a part of the country that has gotten the back of the hand from state and federal govt for years.

    To speak that self-reliance hogwash means you don't live down here in the 21st century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    Regardless of who those around you voted for, Democrats have pretty much controlled this state for the last 40 years+...did the Democrats just ignore Whitley, Knox and Laurel Counties all of these years? Maybe they voted they way they did because Frankfort wasn't getting anything done for them.
    A local county official told me that Bevin has already done more for the county than Bashear did in 8 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    I've known the people in that area all of my life. They're mostly all white, pretty uneducated , and have almost always voted against their own self-interests. Plus, there is a lot of bigotry in that area. It has always been quite mind-numbing and terribly frustrating to see these poor folks slit their own throats when they cast their ballots.
    When did eastern Ky switch from Democratic to Republican?

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