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    Defending marriage is the right thing to do, Romney

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    "Not all Republican candidates agree, but defending marriage is the right thing to do," Romney says in the 60-second spot to begin airing Wednesday.

    Romney, who has come under criticism from conservatives for his past support of some gay rights issues, says he is the only major GOP candidate backing a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.
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    Here's a question I've not seen discussed fully. Why are we against the idea of Civil Unions (government granted)? These are not the same as the Religious Ceremony of Marriage.

    Further, and Hearsay might help here, how can the US government adopt an Amendment when Marriages are State Governed? IF they do that then they have to change the way laws apply to marriages are currently on the books I would think.

    Isn't if ironic that the group that most wants a Constitutional Amendment federalizing marriage is the same group that often says they want less government?

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    If these blow hards really want to defend marriage as they CLAIM, then why not make divorce illegal? I mean since they say it's such a sacred thing. But how can something be "sacred" when 50% of them end up in a divorce.

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    As has been stated many times in the KY gambling issue, why not let the people decide what they want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    As has been stated many times in the KY gambling issue, why not let the people decide what they want?

    Perhaps because when you are dealing with people who are in a minority, the only thing that keeps their Civil Rights (again, not making an argument pro and con on that thought) alive is the Government, not the majority opinion of the population. (For an example see Jim Crow, Segregation, et al)

    IMHO there is a difference between putting an "issue" on a ballot and what amounts to people's lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    As has been stated many times in the KY gambling issue, why not let the people decide what they want?

    Would you also be in favor of giving people the choice to openly discriminate against gays in terms of housing, jobs, even voting rights? What if the people voted for it? Would it then be OK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatz
    Here's a question I've not seen discussed fully. Why are we against the idea of Civil Unions (government granted)? These are not the same as the Religious Ceremony of Marriage.

    Further, and Hearsay might help here, how can the US government adopt an Amendment when Marriages are State Governed? IF they do that then they have to change the way laws apply to marriages are currently on the books I would think.

    Isn't if ironic that the group that most wants a Constitutional Amendment federalizing marriage is the same group that often says they want less government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsGuy41017
    If these blow hards really want to defend marriage as they CLAIM, then why not make divorce illegal? I mean since they say it's such a sacred thing. But how can something be "sacred" when 50% of them end up in a divorce.



    If not illegal, why not harder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepper II
    Would you also be in favor of giving people the choice to openly discriminate against gays in terms of housing, jobs, even voting rights? What if the people voted for it? Would it then be OK?
    Well over in the gambling debate whether it is good or positive for society is irrelevant, it is all about just let the people decide and if they want it, give it to them. Why is this any different?

    Gamblers is a lifestyle choice.
    Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    Well over in the gambling debate whether it is good or positive for society is irrelevant, it is all about just let the people decide and if they want it, give it to them. Why is this any different?

    Gamblers is a lifestyle choice.
    Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.
    Great post!

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    There are certain things that the populace may consider so important as to make it a constitutional issue. There are lots of issues that are formerly state-governed that were pre-empted by a federal constitutional amendment (black and women suffrage, for instance). So, using a federal constitutional amendment is certainly not un-called for.

    In the states where the issue has been put to vote, it is an overwhelming winner. 90%+ of the vote in many cases. So, with a constitutional amendment it would be difficult to argue the abrogation of minority rights. In fact, one of the arguments is that those against a marriage amendment had no such rights in the first place.

    The only question is, is this issue considered polestar for the American populace such that it should be put to a constitutional amendment.

    I DO think it is a polestar issue, but I am also pragmatic enough to realize that those in favor are not going to get the votes right now. For that reason, I prefer it be left to the states, and I sort of fall along Dick Cheney's line of thinking on this issue.

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    Please define or explain what you mean by polestar. I have never heard that term.

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