"This is not a Christian nation"

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    "This is not a Christian nation"

    That's the headline from an interesting op-ed piece that ran in the Courier-Journal earlier this week. It kind of goes hand-in-hand with the thread LBBC posted with the Dobson petition, but I thought it merited its own thread. I figured you guys could have some fun with it.

    This is not a Christian nation
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    Good read. I found some of the posts responding to it pretty funny. Many missed the point completely.

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    The author is correct in de-limiting his thesis to the claim that we are not a Christian nation "in any offical or legal sense of the term."

    This is like saying that Howard University is not an African-American college because its charter permits the admission of all students without regard to race, creed or national origin.

    By doing this, of course, he implies that we are in fact a Christian nation in a non-legal sense. And, of course, we are. Legal structures and cultural truths (as they say on Law & Order) are "two separate but equally important groups." In effect, the author here really does not tell us anything new, or what we don't already know and accept.

    With all due respect, the newspaper world will doing anything and everything it can to make columns and headlines draw our attention away from normalcy. Take, for instance, the report that came out that the divorce rate is actually dropping for the first time in many decades. Not one to take such a report lightly, many newspapers today headlined another study that said that while dropping "the threat of divorce always remains."

    Good stuff, newspeople. Raw. Powerful. Right there with 'ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hearsay
    The author is correct in de-limiting his thesis to the claim that we are not a Christian nation "in any offical or legal sense of the term."

    This is like saying that Howard University is not an African-American college because its charter permits the admission of all students without regard to race, creed or national origin.

    By doing this, of course, he implies that we are in fact a Christian nation in a non-legal sense. And, of course, we are. Legal structures and cultural truths (as they say on Law & Order) are "two separate but equally important groups." In effect, the author here really does not tell us anything new, or what we don't already know and accept.

    With all due respect, the newspaper world will doing anything and everything it can to make columns and headlines draw our attention away from normalcy. Take, for instance, the report that came out that the divorce rate is actually dropping for the first time in many decades. Not one to take such a report lightly, many newspapers today headlined another study that said that while dropping "the threat of divorce always remains."

    Good stuff, newspeople. Raw. Powerful. Right there with 'ya.
    I agree with you. I thought by the headline that I was going to get something different that what I actually got.

    However, I think its a good read especially for those that think that ONLY the Christian religion should be respected in various ways.

    I also thought this was particularly frightening:

    That brings me to the most disturbing finding of the First Amendment Center poll: 28 percent of Americans believe that "freedom to worship as one chooses" was never meant to apply to religious groups that the majority of the people consider "extreme or on the fringe."

    We see that attitude on BGP. "I'm all for it if it fits my beliefs."

    That's the value of this article.

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    ^ By fringes, I don't think the 28% generally means Mormons or similar groups. They may have once been fringe but no longer are. I think what the 28% generally means when they think of "fringe" is some guy who claims he is part of the Church of Hemp, or claims he should be able to cut the heads off of chickens 20 feet from a school because his Voodoo God tells him to. And before anyone says "Hey, who are you to set the bar," we all have a decent idea of where the bar is, and we're not going to allow law-breaking in the guise of self-proclaimed "religion." That's what is meant by "fringe."

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    Not read the article yet but I agree. As long as this country allows approximately 3,000 babies to be killed each day in the name of choice and convenience, we are neither a Christian nation nor a great nation.

    Still the best nation on this planet, just neither one of the above two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hearsay
    ^ By fringes, I don't think the 28% generally means Mormons or similar groups. They may have once been fringe but no longer are. I think what the 28% generally means when they think of "fringe" is some guy who claims he is part of the Church of Hemp, or claims he should be able to cut the heads off of chickens 20 feet from a school ."
    I think there are many that look at the Mormon religion in the same way they look at Scientology. OBviously, the Muslims will fall into that category as well.

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    Read the article and a good read and not much wrong with it. I don't think the Founding Fathers wanted us to drift so far from Christianity as we have. I think they would be appalled by abortion in this country. Knowing that their peers gave their lives and they risked theirs so that we could take the lives of unborn babies all in the name of convenience.

    I am not for a government sponsored religion. People would accept it but not accept it in their heart. And that is the ONLY spot Christianity has to be accepted to really be Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    Read the article and a good read and not much wrong with it. I don't think the Founding Fathers wanted us to drift so far from Christianity as we have. I think they would be appalled by abortion in this country. Knowing that their peers gave their lives and they risked theirs so that we could take the lives of unborn babies all in the name of convenience.

    I am not for a government sponsored religion. People would accept it but not accept it in their heart. And that is the ONLY spot Christianity has to be accepted to really be Christianity.

    I too think they would be appalled but I don't know. Some of these men still believed that certain humans were property and subject to the whims, profits and decisions of the owner of said property. They would probably be appalled in the same way that we are appalled by many of their practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatz
    I too think they would be appalled but I don't know. Some of these men still believed that certain humans were property and subject to the whims, profits and decisions of the owner of said property. They would probably be appalled in the same way that we are appalled by many of their practices.

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