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The need to distinguish criminal behaviour from an act of war is necessary here. Our country is a battlefield for our enemy, it is about time we treat it as such!

 

So what does the family have to do with that?

 

Our liberties and freedoms are difficult things and can't just be readily jettisoned for those we deem "Unworthy."

 

I already think they have considered the assailant as not afforded Miranda Rights because it was an act of terrorism. I think that's understandable. To now go after his family smacks more of vendetta than justice.

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So what does the family have to do with that?

 

Our liberties and freedoms are difficult things and can't just be readily jettisoned for those we deem "Unworthy."

 

I already think they have considered the assailant as not afforded Miranda Rights because it was an act of terrorism. I think that's understandable. To now go after his family smacks more of vendetta than justice.

 

So what do you propose for deterrence for those willing to die for their cause?

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Schumer. Just another ploy to expand the liberal base.

 

The diversity visa lottery has been in place in some form since 1988, but the current iteration of the program was outlined in the 1990 Immigration Act, signed by then-President George H.W. Bush.

 

The bill had received bipartisan support, including from then-Rep. Chuck Schumer of New York, who served on the House immigration subcommittee at the time.

 

Irish-Americans initially pushed for the program after the Immigration Act of 1965 implemented rules prioritizing family reunification and skilled workers, disfavoring many Irish immigrants, according to The Washington Post.

 

In the late 1980s, two Democratic lawmakers from Massachusetts — Rep. Brian J. Donnell and Sen. Ted Kennedy — proposed allowing 10,000 visas on a first-come, first-served basis, allotted to those immigrants "adversely affected" by the 1965 Immigration Act.

 

The current program has since expanded the amount of visas available and eliminated the Irish bias, requiring that no single country receive more than 7% of the available visas per year. In recent years, most visas have gone to immigrants from African countries, State Department data show.

 

Diversity visa lottery explained; Trump criticized it after NYC attack - Business Insider

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The diversity visa lottery has been in place in some form since 1988, but the current iteration of the program was outlined in the 1990 Immigration Act, signed by then-President George H.W. Bush.

 

The bill had received bipartisan support, including from then-Rep. Chuck Schumer of New York, who served on the House immigration subcommittee at the time.

 

Irish-Americans initially pushed for the program after the Immigration Act of 1965 implemented rules prioritizing family reunification and skilled workers, disfavoring many Irish immigrants, according to The Washington Post.

 

In the late 1980s, two Democratic lawmakers from Massachusetts — Rep. Brian J. Donnell and Sen. Ted Kennedy — proposed allowing 10,000 visas on a first-come, first-served basis, allotted to those immigrants "adversely affected" by the 1965 Immigration Act.

 

The current program has since expanded the amount of visas available and eliminated the Irish bias, requiring that no single country receive more than 7% of the available visas per year. In recent years, most visas have gone to immigrants from African countries, State Department data show.

 

Diversity visa lottery explained; Trump criticized it after NYC attack - Business Insider

 

Schumer on Diversity Visa: 'This is an Excellent Program' - Breitbart

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So what do you propose for deterrence for those willing to die for their cause?

 

Not sure except our surveillance agencies work to infiltrate current avenues such as mosques and circles of influence that may lead to radicalized individuals who are plotting.

 

The truth is that there is no way to "get them all" and there is no way to "Stop them all." It's the tragic truth of our current world.

 

Attacking their churches and/or families with criminal charges if they are only accusations will do more to inflame the radicals IMO.

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Not sure except our surveillance agencies work to infiltrate current avenues such as mosques and circles of influence that may lead to radicalized individuals who are plotting.

 

The truth is that there is no way to "get them all" and there is no way to "Stop them all." It's the tragic truth of our current world.

 

Attacking their churches and/or families with criminal charges if they are only accusations will do more to inflame the radicals IMO.

 

The only you stop this is by implementing consequences for the families and mosques of these people. Deportation as a minimum. Stop thinking of terror as a criminal act. It is an act of war and until we decide to treat this as a war, with our front yards as a battle ground, we relive the status quo over and over again!

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The only you stop this is by implementing consequences for the families and mosques of these people. Deportation as a minimum. Stop thinking of terror as a criminal act. It is an act of war and until we decide to treat this as a war, with our front yards as a battle ground, we relive the status quo over and over again!

 

What if their spouse is an American Citizen?

 

I agree about the label as I think it is more than a criminal act as well. I heard this morning that he doesn't fall under the Miranda Rights protection.

 

What more is to be done?

 

You mention deportation of families. Do you really think that will end these? These terrorists aren't thinking of families when they do these acts.

 

I might also add that I can't recall a relative of one of the terrorists in the last 15 years perpetrating a terrorist act. Is there a correlation between repeat terrorists in the same family here in the US? There may be but I can't cite one off the top of my head. So how does deporting the family prevent future incidents of terror?

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What if their spouse is an American Citizen?

 

I agree about the label as I think it is more than a criminal act as well. I heard this morning that he doesn't fall under the Miranda Rights protection.

 

What more is to be done?

 

You mention deportation of families. Do you really think that will end these? These terrorists aren't thinking of families when they do these acts.

 

I might also add that I can't recall a relative of one of the terrorists in the last 15 years perpetrating a terrorist act. Is there a correlation between repeat terrorists in the same family here in the US? There may be but I can't cite one off the top of my head. So how does deporting the family prevent future incidents of terror?

 

These people are quite sane and care about their families and mosques. Furthermore, muslims do not report on terror planning because they are afraid of the extremist. They need something else to fear for the failure to report extremist planning!

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These people are quite sane and care about their families and mosques. Furthermore, muslims do not report on terror planning because they are afraid of the extremist. They need something else to fear for the failure to report extremist planning!

 

But the President tweeted he was a lunatic. :idunno:

 

I'm sorry, it's hard to believe these people care about their families that the threat of deportation would keep them from their heinous acts. Let's be honest, if they too are foreign immigrants, and this is an "outside influenced job," wouldn't they want their families to be sent back to a friendly country where those ISIS people can care for them?

 

It's hard to believe that these terrorists care about anything but their own twisted ideology. Family be darned. Mosque be darned. Perception be darned.

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Of course you go for his family and friends. Look at the Boston bombing - brothers, San Bernardino shooting - husband and wife. So what does this man’s wife know? What does his mosque know. The same mosque associated with the 9/11 hijackers, btw. This isn’t some lone wolf as some want you to believe.

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How would that look? He’s been here since 2010 and now does this. He has a green card and a license. How do we judge the immigrant effectively and project his/her actions 5 or 10 years down the road?

 

Not sure. But when the argument is made to increase the internal spying due to terrorism - that has predominately come from first of second generation radicalized immigrants - the question has to asked - why not keep the bad people out or kick them out. And if its 'grey' maybe err on suspending the visa or green card.

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Not sure. But when the argument is made to increase the internal spying due to terrorism - that has predominately come from first of second generation radicalized immigrants - the question has to asked - why not keep the bad people out or kick them out. And if its 'grey' maybe err on suspending the visa or green card.

 

Have no problem with that idea.

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Of course you go for his family and friends. Look at the Boston bombing - brothers, San Bernardino shooting - husband and wife. So what does this man’s wife know? What does his mosque know. The same mosque associated with the 9/11 hijackers, btw. This isn’t some lone wolf as some want you to believe.

 

Maybe I'm not clear. There is a difference between trying to interrogate and get information from family or mosques and using words like "go after" and hold criminally collusive just by association. I know a lot of people that have some ties to the Klan but that doesn't mean that I think we "go after them" because of Charlottesville.

 

Is he lone wolf? What evidence do we have right now? Maybe, but seems others screamed such after Las Vegas about extra shooters but right now that hasn't been supported by the facts too well.

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I got an update, he said Times Square seemed normal...then later there were what seemed like a 1000 policemen there.

 

To me, that all seems normal. NYPD has the resources to handle something like this while still allowing most to go about their normal day. The extra police in Times Square was warranted and if I were there I would just go about my day. I've been to NYC more times than I can count and have never felt unsafe. My better half grew up on Governors Island and actually spent some time at Stuyvesant High School, next to where this happened. She took a Ferry to Lower Manhattan daily to get to school.

 

Point being, this type of thing can happen anywhere, but if it happens in a place like NYC, I would have no issue about going along with my day as they have the resources to squash it quickly.

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