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    The private schools have submitted two proposals to the KHSAA. The first deals with enforcement issues. The second proposes a geographic limit on high school athletes at the larger private schools. The proposed limit is 25 miles. These are both compromise positions that the privates have put forth before. Will there be enough public school takers?
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    Anyone that is not for "enforcement" needs to look in the mirror and examine their agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru
    Anyone that is not for "enforcement" needs to look in the mirror and examine their agenda.
    What does stepped up enforcement mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenoweth
    What does stepped up enforcement mean?
    I haven't seen the proposals, but it should include:

    A couple of full-time paid investigators
    Subpeona power
    Contempt rules
    Plenary procedures
    A Docket

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hearsay
    I haven't seen the proposals, but it should include:

    A couple of full-time paid investigators
    Subpeona power
    Contempt rules
    Plenary procedures
    A Docket
    Please explain the bolded to us layman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenoweth
    What does stepped up enforcement mean?
    Hearsay nailed it. However, in addition it means instead of having "witchcraft trials" the powers that be need to actually make and prove a case when they suspect there is a violation of the rules. Once a violation is PROVEN then the offenders should be nailed to the cross. However, if a case can't be made/proved that needs to be the end of it.

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    On this topic, someone in the know sent me this:

    Numerous non-public schools submitted a territory proposal for the delegate assembly to consider. The BOC asked that it be removed, as it did for some proposals submitted by others. Their reasoning was that they don’t want any proposals on the agenda for this year that restrict student participation. The sponsors of the territory proposal followed the BOC’s request. This action by the BOC, which is within its jurisdiction, is aligned with clear messages sent by legislators over the last many months. Numerous non-publics have also resubmitted a proposal that would cause tougher enforcement of the association’s rules. The last time it was submitted it carried almost 50% support among delegates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru
    On this topic, someone in the know sent me this:

    Numerous non-public schools submitted a territory proposal for the delegate assembly to consider. The BOC asked that it be removed, as it did for some proposals submitted by others. Their reasoning was that they donít want any proposals on the agenda for this year that restrict student participation. The sponsors of the territory proposal followed the BOCís request. This action by the BOC, which is within its jurisdiction, is aligned with clear messages sent by legislators over the last many months. Numerous non-publics have also resubmitted a proposal that would cause tougher enforcement of the associationís rules. The last time it was submitted it carried almost 50% support among delegates.
    So the tougher enforcement stays and the territory proposal is gone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru
    . Once a violation is PROVEN then the offenders should be nailed to the cross.
    May want to use a different metaphor considering the public vs. private topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum View Post
    The private schools have submitted two proposals to the KHSAA. The first deals with enforcement issues. The second proposes a geographic limit on high school athletes at the larger private schools. The proposed limit is 25 miles. These are both compromise positions that the privates have put forth before. Will there be enough public school takers?
    1. How come it singles out larger private schools and not all private schools?
    2. Enforcement, it works so well now. I believe the KHSAA is responsible for enforcement and if they are not doing their job, the state should come down on them. After all, the state decided to NOT listen to the vote a few years back and vetoed what the KHSAA and the members wanted.

    3. Solve the whole problem. Come up with a formula, such as, private schools population counts 1.5 / kid or 1.75 (whatever # works best) and this would level the playing field in football. The next step would be to classify the other sports. Private and/or public; you will never have a level playing field as long as the smallest schools have to compete against the largest (basketball, baseball, softball)... If the KHSAA truly wants to fix the problem, which I am convinced they don't want to deal with the headache, they need to put all sports into classifications. For example, how can you expect Highview Baptist to compete with St Xavier; Berea to compete with Madison Central, Sayre to compete with Paul Dunbar.

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    I'm not sure that I understand the multiplier concept that well. Is that because the private school students are inherently better athletes? I'm not saying that it is not a workable solution or component of a solution, simply that I don't understand why one student body needs to be multiplied in order to make things more equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EQUUS GREVYI View Post
    I'm not sure that I understand the multiplier concept that well. Is that because the private school students are inherently better athletes? I'm not saying that it is not a workable solution or component of a solution, simply that I don't understand why one student body needs to be multiplied in order to make things more equal.
    I know all single sex schools are counted as twice their enrollment for classification purposes.

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    Wouldn't Trinity and St.X be 6A no matter how many times you multiplied them?

    Covcath would move from 4A to 5A where they already play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Play No Work View Post
    Wouldn't Trinity and St.X be 6A no matter how many times you multiplied them?

    Covcath would move from 4A to 5A where they already play.

    Yes but DeSales is moved up considerably because of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PepRock01 View Post
    Yes but DeSales is moved up considerably because of it.
    Okay so lets say everyone private is moved up a class because of a multiplier.

    So Trinity and X stay 6A, CovCath moves to 5A where they already moved to.

    NCC and Owensboro Cath. move up to 3A....... and meet in the 3A final. How is that leveling the playing field for those 3A public schools that did not have have those private schools in their class previously?

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