Who's Better? Willingham or Weis?

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    Who's Better? Willingham or Weis?

    I didn't really want to start another ND thread, but the last one made me wonder...

    ...people are asking why Charlie Weis is getting more time than Ty Willingham. My answer is simple...1) he's a better coach and 2) Notre Dame simply can't afford to pull the plug on Weis too soon after the Willingham incident.

    So, I want to know, how many people who are trying to question ND and Weis would actually pick Willingham over Weis to coach their team?
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    I am not sure who is better?

    This is Chucks first Head College job. He has done a good job thus far.

    Ty has rebuilt Stanford. Was on the verge on getting ND in the right direction after Daive destroyed the program. Now he is at Washington trying to rebuild them. All 3 stops for Ty have been at programs that were in a drastic decline.
    So I think Ty has proven he is a good coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachBuckett
    I am not sure who is better?

    This is Chucks first Head College job. He has done a good job thus far.

    Ty has rebuilt Stanford. Was on the verge on getting ND in the right direction after Daive destroyed the program. Now he is at Washington trying to rebuild them. All 3 stops for Ty have been at programs that were in a drastic decline.
    So I think Ty has proven he is a good coach.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachBuckett
    I am not sure who is better?

    This is Chucks first Head College job. He has done a good job thus far.

    Ty has rebuilt Stanford. Was on the verge on getting ND in the right direction after Daive destroyed the program. Now he is at Washington trying to rebuild them. All 3 stops for Ty have been at programs that were in a drastic decline.
    So I think Ty has proven he is a good coach.
    What did Ty do that made you think that he was on the verge of getting ND in the right direction?

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    If you think that the program is in worse shape now than when Ole Ty left, you know nothing about college football.

    A better coach? Super Bowl rings say Charlie Weis is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98NCCalum
    If you think that the program is in worse shape now than when Ole Ty left, you know nothing about college football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98NCCalum
    If you think that the program is in worse shape now than when Ole Ty left, you know nothing about college football.

    A better coach? Super Bowl rings say Charlie Weis is.
    I never said the program was in worse shape.

    Comparing NFL to college is crazy. In the NFL if you need a QB you go buy one. In College you try and recruit KIDS and make them players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachBuckett
    I never said the program was in worse shape.
    I don't think I said you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachBuckett
    I never said the program was in worse shape.

    Comparing NFL to college is crazy. In the NFL if you need a QB you go buy one. In College you try and recruit KIDS and make them players.
    If it was that easy all NFL teams would have great QB's... In the NFL you can spend as much money as you want on a QB, but it doesn't mean they would be a good QB. You have to make them a good player in the NFL as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach
    What did Ty do that made you think that he was on the verge of getting ND in the right direction?

    You have to look at moe than wins and losses in the first 3 years on a rebulding process.

    1. You have to throw out year one because he was hired late in the recruiting game so he was scrabling to try and saze recruits and not sure what holes he need to fill. ( That is the same for Weis)

    2. I though the Offense was better year 2 than year one. Kids learning his system.

    3. Year 3 was a hard year because he doesnt get much benefit from his first recruiting class. ( See #1) I think that is what is Happening to Weis this season(which is still early)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachBuckett
    You have to look at moe than wins and losses in the first 3 years on a rebulding process.

    1. You have to throw out year one because he was hired late in the recruiting game so he was scrabling to try and saze recruits and not sure what holes he need to fill. ( That is the same for Weis)

    2. I though the Offense was better year 2 than year one. Kids learning his system.

    3. Year 3 was a hard year because he doesnt get much benefit from his first recruiting class. ( See #1) I think that is what is Happening to Weis this season(which is still early)
    Did you even watch Notre Dame during his years?...The offense was not better in year 2 than in year 1. The offense was actually pretty darn bad in year two for Ty. Then in year 3 it was not much better at all. Also as for year 1 as someone has said before it was probably was the ugliest 9 and 3 season ever...

    I agree you have to look more at things besides just wins and losses, and if you look at things besides that, then you still see he was not on the verge. He was not doing that great of a job in bringing in top players, his recruiting was definitely down for a guy who is Notre Dame. The offense never showed any signs in his 3 years of ever grasping his system, and was just bad. You can look at the whole situation besides just wins and losses, and you see that the future still just looked average at best with Ty...

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach
    If it was that easy all NFL teams would have great QB's... In the NFL you can spend as much money as you want on a QB, but it doesn't mean they would be a good QB. You have to make them a good player in the NFL as well...
    I agree.

    What I was saying you have free agency and trades to help improve your team during a season.

    Compared to begging kids to complay for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachBuckett
    I agree.

    What I was saying you have free agency and trades to help improve your team during a season.

    Compared to begging kids to complay for you.
    How many free agents or trades do you see that teams make that really make much of an impact for their team. In baseball stuff like that does make differences sometimes, but you dont see free agents who trades happen that really help teams out that much at all. It all comes down to drafting good, and being able to see who has potential to be good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach
    Did you even watch Notre Dame during his years?...The offense was not better in year 2 than in year 1. The offense was actually pretty darn bad in year two for Ty. Then in year 3 it was not much better at all. Also as for year 1 as someone has said before it was probably was the ugliest 9 and 3 season ever...

    I agree you have to look more at things besides just wins and losses, and if you look at things besides that, then you still see he was not on the verge. He was not doing that great of a job in bringing in top players, his recruiting was definitely down for a guy who is Notre Dame. The offense never showed any signs in his 3 years of ever grasping his system, and was just bad. You can look at the whole situation besides just wins and losses, and you see that the future still just looked average at best with Ty...
    Actually I did. I attended at least 3 games in person. Yes I thought guys HE recruited were getting better learning his system.

    You have to remember that when TY took over at ND not many kids cared about what Lou did back in the early 90's. Most of them were not even born. Going to ND was attrctive. So how do you get kids away from teams like Ohio St., Michigan, Fla. . You have to turn that program into an Ohio St. AGain.

    I admit it was going to be hard for TY because his offense wasn't wide open. I think he has learned to be moe wide open at UW.

    Weis is getting better players beacuse everyone knew him From New England That is what is attracting kids, Not ND's history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachBuckett
    Actually I did. I attended at least 3 games in person. Yes I thought guys HE recruited were getting better learning his system.

    You have to remember that when TY took over at ND not many kids cared about what Lou did back in the early 90's. Most of them were not even born. Going to ND was attrctive. So how do you get kids away from teams like Ohio St., Michigan, Fla. . You have to turn that program into an Ohio St. AGain.

    I admit it was going to be hard for TY because his offense wasn't wide open. I think he has learned to be moe wide open at UW.

    Weis is getting better players beacuse everyone knew him From New England That is what is attracting kids, Not ND's history.
    And to be able to do that you have to be able to recruit and Ty was not doing to great in that apartment. Yeah dont care to much about history these days, but they do still know that Notre Dame is one of the top football programs to play at in the country. They see it all the time while growing up because Notre Dame is on every single week. Charlie has been able to use that in helping kids come to Notre Dame because they do know its a top program and kids love to get recruited by a team like Notre Dame. And your right Charlie Weis name and his success definitely helps as well. Ty with his recruiting just was not going to get Notre Dame to the level they want. And you dont have to have a huge name that everyone knows to rebuild a program if you can recruit and know how to talk to kids..Just look at Pete Carroll, that USC program was struggling before he came there, and yeah he was in the NFL for a little bit but his name was never that big to kids. Yet he was able to be able to sell kids into coming to USC, and he turned that program what it is by recruiting. Ty was not going to do that, and people saw that. So they brought in a guy who can recruit in Weis...

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