What has Weis done that Willingham didn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach
    You know what that probably sadly is one of the reasons, to go along with he didn't bring in the top notch recruiting classes, no BCS games and had such a boring offense. Also that the guy people wanted to have in Urban Meyer and THOUGHT would come here was available and they wanted to get him before he went somewhere else. All those things probably played into why Ty was gone after 3 seasons, because I even admit that he should have got one more year...
    21-15 record not the best, but he should have gotten one more year. His first year he went 10-3, but then went down to 5-7, and 6-5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HammerTime
    Say what you want about it but I think we all agree that race had something to do with it. At least I do and I know a few other do.
    Read post 59 I even admit race probably was one of the factors in it. But definitely not the only factor like some people on here probably think...

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    Quote Originally Posted by buzzer beater
    21-15 record not the best, but he should have gotten one more year. His first year he went 10-3, but then went down to 5-7, and 6-5.
    And I even said he should have gotten one more year too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Scarface_
    I'll go ahead & say it......People think Ty got a bad deal because he is black & not white. Not saying that I do or do not think that but that is obviously what some people think.
    People can think whatever they want but the big difference is one is in demand because of his success in the NFL and one was not in demand. One got an extension after some moderate success and one got the ax after a little less success. If Ty had Super Bowl rings all over his hands then ND might have locked him into an extension or he might have left voluntarily for an NFL job.

    It's kind of like Reds managers. No one says anything about them getting fired because they never manage anywhere again. At least Ty landed a D 1 job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach
    2 BCS bowls to none for Ty...
    Yeah, and they proved they had no business being in either of those games. They got in those games because of the ND tradition, not because of deserving play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cshs81
    2005 Michigan - the same Michigan team that finished 7-5? That one? Big win?

    Michigan State last year? The one that fired their coach. Big win?

    GaTech? The team that couldn't score despite having the best player in America?

    Charlie has won NO big games. Lets hope that changes.
    Look I am not defending Charlie Weis, he is too arrogant for me, but he fits the swagger of many of my fellow Irish fans. Not me, but most the die hard Irish fans share that air of superiority that he has and like him. But it doesn't matter if the Wolverines are 0-12 an Irish win over Michigan is always a big win. South Bend is in the Michiana area, like Louisville is in the Kentuckiana area, in fact there are barns all over the area that have go BLUE painted on them. It is literally closer from the Golden Dome (Notre Dame) to the Indiana/Michigan state line then it is from the Thinker at Grawmeyer Hall (U of L) to Jeffersonville or New Albany Indiana.

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    Willingham was on a tighter leash with more pressure because he is black at a university where whites has always dominated the coaching staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenaciousD
    Willingham was on a tighter leash with more pressure because he is black at a university where whites has always dominated the coaching staff.
    One of my good friends is a huge ND fan, and he says the only reason Ty isn't still there is because he was black, and that ND was looking for any and every reason to get rid of him. I think there's a lot of truth to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach
    Look at the guys Ty brought in alot of lower than 4 star guys, that is what made people say he couldn't recruit. However you are right he was given the time to let his players mature, however when it came to recruiting stars out of high schools he didn't do good at it...

    Charlie has brought in some High school stars, actually alot more than Ty did, that is why people say he can recruit because he has brought in top 5 classes. And no his recruits haven't been given the chance. I mean seriously the whole offense and defense is gone from last year, hardly any team will do good TO START THE YEAR with a bunch of first year guys getting their first college experience..
    Those stars next to kids names in recruiting magazines are nice. But there are thousands of kids out there that have no stars that turn out to be darn good football players....... Ask App. State

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    I dont care what color any coach is, I think every coach deserves 5 seasons. That gives him time to graduate his first recruiting class. Then they should keep him based on thoses years. Now IMO you can make improvements in the program and it not equal wins. But after 5 season you should see wins start to add up.

    TY didnt get 5 for whatever reason. Yes, it will always be looked at beacuse of race. Why because they didn't even interview a minority when the hired Weis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachBuckett
    I dont care what color any coach is, I think every coach deserves 5 seasons. That gives him time to graduate his first recruiting class. Then they should keep him based on thoses years. Now IMO you can make improvements in the program and it not equal wins. But after 5 season you should see wins start to add up.

    TY didnt get 5 for whatever reason. Yes, it will always be looked at beacuse of race. Why because they didn't even interview a minority when the hired Weis.
    Thats not why it is a race issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan
    Yeah, and they proved they had no business being in either of those games. They got in those games because of the ND tradition, not because of deserving play.
    Well hmmm Ty was at the same school at Notre Dame, but even the ND tradition didn't get his Notre Dame teams into a BCS...

    Also Tell me a team that would have deserved to be in a BCS game last year over ND. Because you can make a case for alot of teams for why they shouldn't be there. That at large spot that Notre Dame got had alot of teams that were just like Notre Dame, there was no team out there that you can make a convincing argument for on why they would deserve to more than Notre Dame. All the teams were about even when it came to that, and well so of coarse Notre Dame would get the nod then if the teams they were in competition with were about the same...

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    ^Off the top of my head, I would have taken Wisconsin, Auburn, Rutgers, or West Virginia over Notre Dame. I feel any of those teams would have given LSU a much better game than ND did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan
    ^Off the top of my head, I would have taken Wisconsin, Auburn, Rutgers, or West Virginia over Notre Dame. I feel any of those teams would have given LSU a much better game than ND did.
    I'm not sure if this is true or not, but I've heard that the BCS is limited to taking at most 2 schools from any particular conference. If so this would have prevented Auburn or Wisconsin from even being in consideration.

    I'm a Notre Dame fan but I will agree with you from a competitive standpoint Notre Dame did not deserve to be in the BCS. Their defense would prevent them from playing with any of the big boys. However, we all know the true purpose of the bowl system, and Notre Dame is the best team in the country for producing the results the bowls are really looking for. ($$$$$)

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan
    One of my good friends is a huge ND fan, and he says the only reason Ty isn't still there is because he was black, and that ND was looking for any and every reason to get rid of him. I think there's a lot of truth to it.
    Then why isn't Bob Davie still there? Did they want to get rid of him because he was.... what??? How about "Not a great coach"?

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