Lloyd Carr???

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    Lloyd Carr???

    Is Lloyd Carr's situation at Michigan, college football's equivalent to Tubby Smith's situation at UK? Thoughts?
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    Yes. Also similar to Fulmer at UT.

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    I posted this in another thread:

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    I have one question.

    I was watching ESPN and some talking heads who were saying it was time for Lloyd to go. In fact the one "expert" head said: "There have been problems at Michigan for a while. Sure they win 8 or 9 games a year but everyone knows that there are real problems that Carr can't fix."

    Now I hope I'm not too of topic here but why is it okay for the media to say this about Michigan football and Carr and no one screams bloody murder about the great record and wonderful job Carr has done? Nobody is screaming at the unrealistic expectations of the Wolverine fans. Everyone from Dickie V to other sports reporters ridiculed KY fans for the same situation with Tubby.

    Where is the indignation at Michigan fans?

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    Yes - continued 10+ loss seasons for UK basketball, coupled with poor NCAA tournament performances will get you nothing with a hungry big blue nation.

    Very similar for Carr - Wining 9, 10, or 11 games a year, loosing "every" year to OSU, coupled with a bunch of losses in bowl season spells trouble with UM fans .....

    It is a shame, but for major college athletics, winning is very important considering the money. And both of these examples above, show underachievement.

    I think UK basketball should be in the top 12 every year. Knocking on a final 4 door once every 3 - 4 years. I think UM football is the same, should be a top 10 program every year. Should contend for National Championship every year depending on how the Ohio St. game goes......

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    I think its similar.

    Both underachieved
    Both were disliked from the majority of the fan base because of the underachieving (I'm making a broad general statement)
    Both have one national title, from players they inherited from previous coaches
    Both coached/coach at the winningst program in their respective sports
    Both generally had good regular seasons then lost the big game, or didn't get to the big game

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    Quote Originally Posted by BucksFan
    I think its similar.

    Both underachieved
    Both were disliked from the majority of the fan base because of the underachieving (I'm making a broad general statement)
    Both have one national title, from players they inherited from previous coaches
    Both coached/coach at the winningst program in their respective sports
    Both generally had good regular seasons then lost the big game, or didn't get to the big game
    Underachieved....I'm not seeing it.

    2006 11-2 (7-1)
    2005 7-5 (5-3)

    2004 9-3 (7-1)
    2003 10-3 (7-1)
    2002 10-3 (6-2)
    2001 8-4 (6-2)
    2000 9-3 (6-2)
    1999 10-2 (6-2)
    1998 10-3 (7-1)
    1997 12-0 (8-0) ranked #1
    1996 8-4 (5-3)
    1995 9-4 (5-3)
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    Underachieved for the programs expectations. Trust me I know plenty of people up in Michigan and they all say he underachieved, especially in the big game. I guess the definition of underachieving is based on who holds it. My guess is people not too closely associated to UK think that Tubby underachieved, but you talk to people around here and that is a common word they use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BucksFan
    Underachieved for the programs expectations. Trust me I know plenty of people up in Michigan and they all say he underachieved, especially in the big game. I guess the definition of underachieving is based on who holds it. My guess is people not too closely associated to UK think that Tubby underachieved, but you talk to people around here and that is a common word they use.
    I know several folks, from the great State of Michigan myself and when a coach wins 10 games and is considered, to underachieve....what does that say about expectations?

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    Well I totally agree with that.

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    I'm not saying thats good or bad. And I said I know plenty, let me put that into perspective, Although I know a couple of hundred, I only spoke to a dozen or so regarding Carr. So 12 out of the hundreds of thousands of supporters that UM has is not even on the map.

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    I wonder if the same fate, that befell Coach Cooper at OSU, is the reason behind a lot of the disgruntled.

    Carr has turned out numerous NFL players. I'm not certain but I believe his graduation numbers are okay and the stands are packed. Does if boil down to one game and the unattainable goal, of playing for a National Title each year.

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    Sad as it may be I believe you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BucksFan
    Sad as it may be I believe you are correct.
    I agree and that 'ol saying, what goes around, comes around....might apply in Ann Arbor.

    For the record, I think Carr is a solid coach but I'm far from, a Michigan fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STRIKE3
    For the record, I think Carr is a solid coach but I'm far from, a Michigan fan.
    Me too, hence my name

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    Michigan has had the talent to have won a number of Nat. Champships. For any number of reasons, Ohio St., Oregon, USC etc. Someone has slipped up on Michigan and caused them the chance for the title.(General statement for the last several seasons...) When the program is used to winning, and wants to win with the talent they have, and the record is 10 - 3.... How can one be "happy" or "satisfied" with the result. In the grand scheme of things, yes, successful. But for the expectations of winning it all, short too many times.....

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