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    Horizon League 1% of the teams invited to the dance 25% of the Final Four...again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by History View Post
    Horizon League 1% of the teams invited to the dance 25% of the Final Four...again...
    Which just shows how ignorant using the tournament to judge a league is. Well said...

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    The Big 11 was the 2nd best league this season. Do they move to 7th because they didn't have a team make the Elite 8, much less Final 4???

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    Which just shows how ignorant using the tournament to judge a league is. Well said...
    You certainly don't use it as the deciding factor but you also don't ignore it completely. The Big East is about quantity and not quality. 9th place team in the Final Four is really impressive but 1-8 not making the second weekend is really unimpressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Original Rookie View Post
    You certainly don't use it as the deciding factor but you also don't ignore it completely. The Big East is about quantity and not quality. 9th place team in the Final Four is really impressive but 1-8 not making the second weekend is really unimpressive.
    There is very little NBA talent in the BEast right now, so while more was expected it is not shocking to see so many get bounced early. That doesn't change the fact that the league was still clearly the best in the nation all season.

    If the tournament is the ultimate judge as some have glued themselves to up to this point, is anyone really going to say with a straight face the SEC or ACC was the better conference?

    Better at the very top? Without question because the teams at the top have those NBA type game changers on their roster that Pitt, ND and UL lacked. Doesn't change the fact that the Big East had 11 teams with a resume that gave the committee no choice but to include them in the tournament...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    There is very little NBA talent in the BEast right now, so while more was expected it is not shocking to see so many get bounced early. That doesn't change the fact that the league was still clearly the best in the nation all season.

    If the tournament is the ultimate judge as some have glued themselves to up to this point, is anyone really going to say with a straight face the SEC or ACC was the better conference?

    Better at the very top? Without question because the teams at the top have those NBA type game changers on their roster that Pitt, ND and UL lacked. Doesn't change the fact that the Big East had 11 teams with a resume that gave the committee no choice but to include them in the tournament...
    Agree with all those points. Why is the premier conference in the country lacking NBA talent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Original Rookie View Post
    Agree with all those points. Why is the premier conference in the country lacking NBA talent?
    Because most of the coaches in the Big East recruit players that are there for the long haul that will grow and nurture to become well capable of the next level; it's not all about the one and done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Original Rookie View Post
    Agree with all those points. Why is the premier conference in the country lacking NBA talent?
    A question I have thought about a lot over the last few weeks. I think quite a bit of it has to do with making sure you are built to compete night in and night out in league play, and it just isn't going to happen by relying on freshman to understand how hard it is to win against veterans.

    It's a copycat sports world, and I would say over the last 5 years or so Pitt has been the model of consistency in terms of not missing a beat from year to year. Freshman are role players that become starters and then stars over 4 years. Blair and Young are the only NBA type talents that have been at Pitt in that run, but they are always at the top of the league in the regular season.

    Ultimately I think it is just a different world than life in the other power conferences right now. Every year a bunch of veterans leave and we hear how the league will be down. Then in OOC play guys that started as role players and moved to the starter role the year before become stars and the hype machine goes from "down year" to "powerhouse". Then once league play starts it grows even larger because there is just great game after great game and it gets to the point fans of other teams and leagues get sick of hearing the hype.

    It doesn't make the veteran guys NBA talent, but it does make them really good college players and teams. Just not really teams that are built to win in a one game and out tournament when the action is called much different than what they are built for.

    Just what has been rattling around my brain on the issue over the past few weeks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrcarrier View Post
    Because most of the coaches in the Big East recruit players that are there for the long haul that will grow and nurture to become well capable of the next level; it's not all about the one and done.
    Who said it was all about one and dones? It is a very legitimate question to ponder. Also, you don't have to be one and done to be an NBA talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    A question I have thought about a lot over the last few weeks. I think quite a bit of it has to do with making sure you are built to compete night in and night out in league play, and it just isn't going to happen by relying on freshman to understand how hard it is to win against veterans.

    It's a copycat sports world, and I would say over the last 5 years or so Pitt has been the model of consistency in terms of not missing a beat from year to year. Freshman are role players that become starters and then stars over 4 years. Blair and Young are the only NBA type talents that have been at Pitt in that run, but they are always at the top of the league in the regular season.

    Ultimately I think it is just a different world than life in the other power conferences right now. Every year a bunch of veterans leave and we hear how the league will be down. Then in OOC play guys that started as role players and moved to the starter role the year before become stars and the hype machine goes from "down year" to "powerhouse". Then once league play starts it grows even larger because there is just great game after great game and it gets to the point fans of other teams and leagues get sick of hearing the hype.

    It doesn't make the veteran guys NBA talent, but it does make them really good college players and teams. Just not really teams that are built to win in a one game and out tournament when the action is called much different than what they are built for.

    Just what has been rattling around my brain on the issue over the past few weeks...
    The big time programs are still recruiting the big time talent right? You would know better than I but I know at Louisville they are. Are they shying away from 5 star talent or just not landing them as much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Original Rookie View Post
    The big time programs are still recruiting the big time talent right? You would know better than I but I know at Louisville they are. Are they shying away from 5 star talent or just not landing them as much?
    5 star talent, but not really the one and done elite talent as a whole. Lance was the BE ROY pretty much by default last year, and UConn is on this run with a freshman class that wasn't considered big time playing major roles. Nova has been stacked with Burger Boy guards that have been around a while.

    It would seem things like toughness and effort are valued more because of what it takes to survive. With this a more stable nature of the programs in the league, but maybe not as much star power at the elite level. The Big 11 would be similar in style, but the recruiting base in the mid west is a whole different type of player than what you get on the east coast.

    And while on that topic I would say NYC/NJ kids as a whole are rated a lot differently because they just don't travel as much on the AAU circuit where they are more exposed to the national guys that do rankings. They don't travel as much because there is amazing competition in events within 25 miles every weekend up there. Doesn't fit kids that play AAU for the Gauchos or high school at St Anthony's and the other similar powerhouse programs, but as a whole it is very true from what I have seen...

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    To make what I'm saying a little more UK relevant, it is kids like Liggins that the Big East has been so good cultivating. He's got what you have to face night in and night out through league play...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime View Post
    To make what I'm saying a little more UK relevant, it is kids like Liggins that the Big East has been so good cultivating. He's got what you have to face night in and night out through league play...
    I think that is a great comparison. The Big East is rough and tough but many of the teams do not have enough scoring threats to make a deep run in the tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Original Rookie View Post
    I think that is a great comparison. The Big East is rough and tough but many of the teams do not have enough scoring threats to make a deep run in the tournament.
    On the flip side look what the league did to Kemba. They beat him down on a nightly basis, forced his FG% under 40 in conference play and put him on the outside looking in at national POY.

    It is certainly a defense first league and that isn't ideal if you don't have that one guy to get you the clutch bucket. Not enough of those guys in the league over the last 2 years...

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    If we are talking about this season then perhaps its true that the Big East lacks NBA talent, however, I think over the long haul they stack up pretty favorably to the other power conferences. Looking at the last 10 NBA drafts, the lottery picks by conference as they are currently is as follows.

    ACC - 21

    Big East - 20

    Pac 10 - 18

    Big 12 - 15

    SEC - 12

    Big 10 - 9

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