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- Dec 13, 11, 10:18 PM #21
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- Dec 13, 11, 10:23 PM #23
It's not God favoring Tim Tebow, it's Tim Tebow's faith in God. With the faith comparable to a mustard seed you can move a mountain, so why can't you win a football game with a 1/4 of a mustard seed?
- Dec 13, 11, 10:30 PM #24
- Dec 13, 11, 10:35 PM #25
Here's what the problem is for those who have the asinine belief that "God favors Tim Tebow" in their heads:
If you believe that, then you also must, by extension, believe that God favors him at the expense of every other team -- other teams that undoubtedly also have faithful Christians on their team. It's just a completely, utterly outlandish suggestion that God cares about the outcome of a football game because of one man's in-your-face piety.
- Dec 13, 11, 10:59 PM #26
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- Dec 13, 11, 11:03 PM #27
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- Dec 13, 11, 11:14 PM #28
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- Dec 14, 11, 03:56 AM #30
Here's food for thought. God's intention is not to help win a football game. He loves us so much he is using this to help lead a lost soul to his grace and mercy. Tim Tebow is just the instrument he is using.
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:8-9 (KJV)
- Dec 14, 11, 06:23 AM #31
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My question isn't does God favor Tebow. It's why do so many people have such disdain for Tebow and want to see him fail? Is it because he's so openly religious?
- Dec 14, 11, 07:52 AM #32
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- Dec 14, 11, 08:50 AM #35
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What is "favor?" In this case, is it winning games? Titles?
What about the losers?
Also, to imply that (A.) Because of Tebow's succes God must favor him over others on that field who are less faithful, then (B) If we would be more faithful to God we would see similary results/benefits/favor.
I guess if that is a truthful absolute then we can also deduce:
A. God Must not have care for Ernie Davis (Football).
B. Lou Gehrig must have fallen out of favor from God after being in great favor his whole life/career.
C. Terry Bradshaw much have been MUCH more Faithful to God than Roger Staubach.
- Dec 14, 11, 08:51 AM #36
Yet there are other times when faithfulness does not equate to an immediate, material blessing. John the Baptist did exactly what he was born to do & ended up in prison...ultimately beheaded. Paul prayed three times for a "thorn in the flesh" to be removed from his life and God essentially said, "No. My grace is enough." He too ended up beheaded.
Scripture says the rain falls on the just and the unjust. The prophet Jeremiah asked a question similar to Habib's---"Why does the way of the wicked prosper? Why do all the faithless live at ease?" (Jeremiah 12:1). God sometimes rewards people of faith with physical blessing that is immediate & very visible. There are other times when He withholds it. There are times when God allows the wicked to prosper. And there are times when He brings them to their knees.
A passage from Romans helps me here (in addition to NWO's from Isaiah). I call this verse the "God's prerogative" passage of the Bible: What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” (Romans 9: 14-15)
I don't pretend to try to know the source of Tim Tebow's recent success in helping lead his team to where it is today. Is God playing a part? Perhaps. But then again, perhaps not. But I'm not going to say He most certainly is or He most certainly is not.
A quote from Augustine comes to mind--one I've used before & will likely use many more times. Something like, "Once we fully understand God, He stops being God."
- Dec 14, 11, 08:56 AM #37
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The answer to the question is no. I believe Tebow would be the first to tell you that.
- Dec 14, 11, 09:03 AM #38
Conversely, I don't have a problem at all with Tebow's approach, which I see as being both heavily verbal & active. His work in the Philippines & in prison ministries speaks for itself IMO. We have to remember that in preparing people for Jesus' ministry, John the Baptist was more in-your-face than Tim Tebow will ever dream of being. He's actually more akin to the prototypical "street-corner preacher" in that he was very boisterous and outspoken.
So long as both are authentic, I can't favor one style over the other. What I will say is that the deeds part of Christian living better be straight-up, or else the words are nothing but empty & hollow. With Tebow, I have yet to see anything contradictory in words vs. actions.
- Dec 14, 11, 09:03 AM #39
I do think that Tebow's faith is one of the reason that he has such confidence. People obtain confidence in their game through many different ways. For Tebow I think his faith does help him play better on the football field. Not because God is giving him extra strength or anything like that, but its his way of giving himself confidence.
- Dec 14, 11, 09:19 AM #40
I think the overall picture is being missed. This is not about football or Tim Tebow. This is about God. He has accomplished what he wanted. Not to talk about football. Not to talk about Tim Tebow but to talk about almighty God himself. In our limited abilities to understand his actions, we think it is about sports or a certain athlete, but it is not. It is about Him.
Everyone can rest assured that the seed has been planted in some man, woman, boy or girl about God. This is being discussed not just on this site but other places also. One day that seed will grow and flourish.
The parable about the sower is what comes to mind the further I thought on this topic.