Page 3 of An entire generation, my generation, is leaving the church. What’s the cause? Santorum blames higher education, telling Glenn Beck last week that "62% of kids who go into college with a faith commitment leave without it." The “war on religion” has become a frequent bogeyman among Christian and political leaders. But the reason church leaders have failed to stem the tide of a generation heading for the exit door is that they keep looking for an outside enemy to blame when the biggest... 118 comments | 1924 Views | Go to page 1 →

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habib View Post
    I don't necessarily think that's the case vis-a-vis faith specifically. There have been some profound thinkers throughout history who were persons of faith and I believe the university was a product of the Catholic Church. But I think you're right that critical thought doesn't mesh well with some of the rigid and uncompromising views propagated by churches, especially those that seem to be a product of society and simply rationalized through religion.
    Ironically, it was my 12 years of Catholic education that cemented my faith by including the exploration of other faiths into my learning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habib View Post
    There was a preacher who daily stood on the corner of a high traffic area at a university I attended and shouted things like "burn your Mick Jagger records, they are the devil's work," or "homosexuality will send you to hell!" While I'm sure this guy hurt his cause more than he helped it, it's part of what I'm saying here. I wonder how many people read the bible for the first time and immediately think "I need to burn my Mick Jagger records" versus how many people might sympathize with that thought if they grew up going to a Baptist church. I imagine many of the latter, once exposed to different points of view, might eventually find it a bit ridiculous.
    I wonder how Brother Jed and Sister Cindy are doing these days???

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerkywrestler View Post
    ...and from an outsider's perspective, this is not how many non-Christians view them.
    Very aware of that. I'm not going to pretend like I haven't at times contributed to that perspective, but I know I try to improve on a daily basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    Agreed on doctrine. However, if you turn people off , as we're seeing today, you'll never get to the point of doctrine details because the flock will be gone.

    That's why IMO we're seeing such popularity with churches like Crossroads in Cincinnati.
    I think it's a tough balance to strike--doctrine & love. They seem to contradict one another, but such is not the case. Your wife's uncle has a good approach, especially with the people he is encountering, who are really struggling. That type of setting is where love is most needed IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountain ref View Post
    I think though a lot will eventualy go back to church when they get older.
    I agree & have seen that a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habib View Post
    There was a preacher who daily stood on the corner of a high traffic area at a university I attended and shouted things like "burn your Mick Jagger records, they are the devil's work," or "homosexuality will send you to hell!" While I'm sure this guy hurt his cause more than he helped it, it's part of what I'm saying here. I wonder how many people read the bible for the first time and immediately think "I need to burn my Mick Jagger records" versus how many people might sympathize with that thought if they grew up going to a Baptist church. I imagine many of the latter, once exposed to different points of view, might eventually find it a bit ridiculous.
    This was my experience. I was raised Baptist, youth group my whole life etc. I was taught how wrong Catholics were, homosexuals were hell bound, if you drank you were a drunkard and if you weren't a Christian you were basically a worshiper of the devil. I went to college and found out that there are good people in the world that actually have a drink, some of the most kind and giving people are homosexual or atheist. I even married a Catholic girl....turns out the Baptist teachings are right about one thing. For me college was eye opening and it wasn't the so called liberal professor it was simply meeting different people that starkly contridicted just about everything I was ever taught in Church. I don't go to church much now but when I do it is to a non-denominational church similiar to crossroads but much smaller. There is no dogma or rigid teachings, but lots of love and acceptance.

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    Guys you either believe the Bible or you don't. You can choose to believe Joel Osteen, the nut job on the corner, the neighorhood wealth, health, and love minister, or you local atheist. I'm not going to beat my head against the wall trying to convence someone who doesn't want to listen. It's called free will and it's your decision.

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    I am very late to the game, but did anyone point out that statistics show that young adults that don't go to college are the ones less likely to keep their faith commitments, not those that do attend college? Thus, Santorum is wrong in his premise.

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    From what I've gathered there is no definitive study one way or the other. Different studies have come up with conflicting data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75center View Post
    From what I've gathered there is no definitive study one way or the other. Different studies have come up with conflicting data.
    I read two separate articles the other day that both said the same thing, but they could have been quoting the same study.

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    What I've read is different studies showing polar opposite results. My guess is people are quoting the study that makes them feel better. I'm also guessing that there is no real correlation either way.

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    I saw a study done @ Notre Dame a few years back that seemed to support Santorum. To be fair, I'm pretty sure it was done in the early-to-mid 90's, so it's quite dated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Parker View Post
    Very aware of that. I'm not going to pretend like I haven't at times contributed to that perspective, but I know I try to improve on a daily basis.
    I haven't ever felt that way about anything you've said regarding the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Parker View Post
    I saw a study done @ Notre Dame a few years back that seemed to support Santorum. To be fair, I'm pretty sure it was done in the early-to-mid 90's, so it's quite dated.
    The early '90's is "new and hip" in Santorum's world so that would be apropos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerkywrestler View Post
    I haven't ever felt that way about anything you've said regarding the subject.
    Give me time.

    But I appreciate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerkywrestler View Post
    The early '90's is "new and hip" in Santorum's world so that would be apropos.
    That's awesome!

    BGPers are on fire tonight. In another thread I saw someone say, "Pish-posh." Now you pull out "apropos." Can't wait to use these words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerkywrestler View Post
    The early '90's is "new and hip" in Santorum's world so that would be apropos.

    Although I have to admit, mine too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Parker View Post
    That's awesome!

    BGPers are on fire tonight. In another thread I saw someone say, "Pish-posh." Now you pull out "apropos." Can't wait to use these words.


    Have you had an apropos time yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerkywrestler View Post


    Have you had an apropos time yet?
    No, but I'm chomping at the bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Parker View Post
    No, but I'm chomping at the bit.
    Champing. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Schue View Post
    Champing. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)