"Christianity in America is in danger."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsGuy41017 View Post
    Kids have made up their minds before college.
    Strongly disagree, I know several atheist and several were not there until college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by formerkywrestler View Post
    That's pretty much what I thought, thanks for the expanded explanation.

    I also think in some cases -- especially with children from rural areas and the bible belt -- they start to realize it's ok not to be a Christian and contrary to what they've been told many, many non-believers actually exist.

    In other countries atheism and agnosticism seem to be more commonly accepted (think Europe or Australia), any thoughts on why this is?
    That's a good point too.

    I'm not sure about Europe or the Aussies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountain ref View Post
    When kids go to college that went to church and dont come home on weekends they dont try to go find a new church. So if they are not going to church and sleeping in on Sunday, well it is easy to sleep in on Sunday morning (devil at work) and it just becomes a natural to sleep in. No parents to guide them at college.

    They get lazy and complaicent. I think though a lot will eventualy go back to church when they get older.

    Todays generation has to have fun, a lot of churches now have super bowl parties at church and preach during commercials.
    Using the very unscientific method of "what I see on Facebook" I think you are right to a point. I knew very few people who went to church while in college, but many are now starting to go back again. Though I wouldn't entirely discount that they have moved back to the rural areas where they are from. I think that has a lot to do with it as well besides just getting older.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerkywrestler View Post
    Strongly disagree, I know several atheist and several were not there until college.
    Students are encouraged to question and to divulge into a deeper more critical form of thought in college, and faith and critical logic/thought don't tend to mix well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerkywrestler View Post
    Strongly disagree, I know several atheist and several were not there until college.
    Well, I can tell you a lot have already made up there mind by the end of HS. So lets just say many do, and many do in or just after college Plus, I am not only talking about atheist, but people who just gave up on church/religion for a number of reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habib View Post
    That's a good point too.

    I'm not sure about Europe or the Aussies.
    It definitely helped for me. I had two teachers in HS who weres more like the professors I later encountered in college (both actually had taught at the college level). They had a decidedly more "worldly and open" view than most people in my small town. Because of them I started to identify as an atheist. Neither were atheist/agnostic and actually both coincidentally are devout Catholics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    Students are encouraged to question and to divulge into a deeper more critical form of thought in college, and faith and critical logic/thought don't tend to mix well.
    You said it, not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsGuy41017 View Post
    Well, I can tell you a lot have already made up there mind by the end of HS. So lets just say many do, and many do in or just after college Plus, I am not only talking about atheist, but people who just gave up on church/religion for a number of reasons.
    Fair enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    Students are encouraged to question and to divulge into a deeper more critical form of thought in college, and faith and critical logic/thought don't tend to mix well.
    I don't necessarily think that's the case vis-a-vis faith specifically. There have been some profound thinkers throughout history who were persons of faith and I believe the university was a product of the Catholic Church. But I think you're right that critical thought doesn't mesh well with some of the rigid and uncompromising views propagated by churches, especially those that seem to be a product of society and simply rationalized through religion.

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    There was a preacher who daily stood on the corner of a high traffic area at a university I attended and shouted things like "burn your Mick Jagger records, they are the devil's work," or "homosexuality will send you to hell!" While I'm sure this guy hurt his cause more than he helped it, it's part of what I'm saying here. I wonder how many people read the bible for the first time and immediately think "I need to burn my Mick Jagger records" versus how many people might sympathize with that thought if they grew up going to a Baptist church. I imagine many of the latter, once exposed to different points of view, might eventually find it a bit ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habib View Post
    I don't necessarily think that's the case vis-a-vis faith specifically. There have been some profound thinkers throughout history who were persons of faith and I believe the university was a product of the Catholic Church. But I think you're right that critical thought doesn't mesh well with some of the rigid and uncompromising views propagated by churches, especially those that seem to be a product of society and simply rationalized through religion.
    Ironically, it was my 12 years of Catholic education that cemented my faith by including the exploration of other faiths into my learning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habib View Post
    There was a preacher who daily stood on the corner of a high traffic area at a university I attended and shouted things like "burn your Mick Jagger records, they are the devil's work," or "homosexuality will send you to hell!" While I'm sure this guy hurt his cause more than he helped it, it's part of what I'm saying here. I wonder how many people read the bible for the first time and immediately think "I need to burn my Mick Jagger records" versus how many people might sympathize with that thought if they grew up going to a Baptist church. I imagine many of the latter, once exposed to different points of view, might eventually find it a bit ridiculous.
    I wonder how Brother Jed and Sister Cindy are doing these days???

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    Quote Originally Posted by formerkywrestler View Post
    ...and from an outsider's perspective, this is not how many non-Christians view them.
    Very aware of that. I'm not going to pretend like I haven't at times contributed to that perspective, but I know I try to improve on a daily basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    Agreed on doctrine. However, if you turn people off , as we're seeing today, you'll never get to the point of doctrine details because the flock will be gone.

    That's why IMO we're seeing such popularity with churches like Crossroads in Cincinnati.
    I think it's a tough balance to strike--doctrine & love. They seem to contradict one another, but such is not the case. Your wife's uncle has a good approach, especially with the people he is encountering, who are really struggling. That type of setting is where love is most needed IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountain ref View Post
    I think though a lot will eventualy go back to church when they get older.
    I agree & have seen that a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habib View Post
    There was a preacher who daily stood on the corner of a high traffic area at a university I attended and shouted things like "burn your Mick Jagger records, they are the devil's work," or "homosexuality will send you to hell!" While I'm sure this guy hurt his cause more than he helped it, it's part of what I'm saying here. I wonder how many people read the bible for the first time and immediately think "I need to burn my Mick Jagger records" versus how many people might sympathize with that thought if they grew up going to a Baptist church. I imagine many of the latter, once exposed to different points of view, might eventually find it a bit ridiculous.
    This was my experience. I was raised Baptist, youth group my whole life etc. I was taught how wrong Catholics were, homosexuals were hell bound, if you drank you were a drunkard and if you weren't a Christian you were basically a worshiper of the devil. I went to college and found out that there are good people in the world that actually have a drink, some of the most kind and giving people are homosexual or atheist. I even married a Catholic girl....turns out the Baptist teachings are right about one thing. For me college was eye opening and it wasn't the so called liberal professor it was simply meeting different people that starkly contridicted just about everything I was ever taught in Church. I don't go to church much now but when I do it is to a non-denominational church similiar to crossroads but much smaller. There is no dogma or rigid teachings, but lots of love and acceptance.

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