Can American Pharoah win the Triple Crown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAIL BIRD View Post
    Anybody using the machines at Turfway had better watch your winning tickets. I had 5 winning tickets to cash at Turfway, so I walked up and inserted my tickets. The machine reads "not a winning ticket." I knew they were winners, so I went to another machine, it read "2 winning tickets." Finally, I got all the cash for the 5 tickets. I saw the guy that takes care of the machines, so I asked him about it. He said people get mad and put all kinds of things into the machines, like paper wads and even cigarette butts.
    Go to a teller if you know you have winning tickets.
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    The four horses seen as top roadblocks to American Pharoah's Triple Crown bid put in their final major workouts Friday at Belmont Park.



    Ahead of the June 6 Belmont Stakes, Frosted, fourth in the Kentucky Derby, may have impressed the most. Moving in company for the second straight week with Tamarkuz, the Kiaran McLaughlin trainee finished just ahead of his older workmate. The pair went four furlongs in 47.84 seconds.

    Afterward, the Daily Racing Form's Mike Welsch noted that Tamarkuz pulled ahead galloping out five furlongs, but that Frosted answered, besting him in six.

    "This was the best I've seen of Frosted either prior to or since the Derby," Welsch wrote.

    Added McLaughlin: "It couldn't have gone better. We're all set."

    The onlooker's reviews of trainer Todd Pletcher's Belmont trio -- Materiality, Carpe Diem and Madefromlucky -- weren't so flattering. Each got hot going to the track, Welsch noted, before 10th-place Derby finisher Carpe Diem out-worked Peter Pan Stakes winner Madefromlucky and Derby scratch Stanford edged Materiality, sixth in his last race.

    Pletcher said the intent is still to run all three in the Belmont.

    "I thought both horses worked well enough today to continue considering the Belmont," Pletcher said of the Carpe Diem/Madefromlucky pair. "I didn't see anything that would deter me from it. I'll see how they come out of it, and talk with everybody, but we worked with the intention of running in the Belmont, and I thought they both worked well."

    Clockers credited Carpe Diem with a half mile in 47.66 seconds, while Madefromlucky hit the wire in 47.84. Materiality's 47.78 matched Stanford's time.

    "I thought [Materiality] worked very well," Pletcher said. "You know, he's the kind of horse who kind of does what his workmate does. It was a very good, progressive breeze, picking it up as they went along, with a very strong gallop out. [Materiality] came back and he wasn't even blowing. He just took it all very well."

    Frosted will have Joel Rosario aboard for the Belmont, while Pletcher hasn't announced riding assignments for his horses. John Velazquez and Javier Castellano will claim two of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Are those times good, bad or don't mean much of anything?
    Sounds like a nice breeze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankdracman23 View Post
    Go to a teller if you know you have winning tickets.
    Their tellers are a joke, all four of them on weekdays. One is on the phone for hours at a time and totally ignors people. One is mad at the world and acts like he totally hates life on a regular basis. The next one can't remember the numbers you give him even if it's only two at a time. The other one acts like he is being over worked. I try to avoid tellers at all costs. I go from machine to machine until I get all my tickets cashed

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAIL BIRD View Post
    Their tellers are a joke, all four of them on weekdays. One is on the phone for hours at a time and totally ignors people. One is mad at the world and acts like he totally hates life on a regular basis. The next one can't remember the numbers you give him even if it's only two at a time. The other one acts like he is being over worked. I try to avoid tellers at all costs. I go from machine to machine until I get all my tickets cashed
    Wow. I'm not there during the week and only there during live racing. Maybe a switch to Belterra Park is in order?

    Although Belterra Park live racing has kind of stunk because of the short fields. Hard to bet 4 and 5 horse fields. Pretty bad when a 7 or more horse field is becoming a rarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankdracman23 View Post
    Wow. I'm not there during the week and only there during live racing. Maybe a switch to Belterra Park is in order?

    Although Belterra Park live racing has kind of stunk because of the short fields. Hard to bet 4 and 5 horse fields. Pretty bad when a 7 or more horse field is becoming a rarity.
    I've only been to BP one time since it became a casino. In fact, I still have $10 in winning tickets that haven't been cashed yet.

    The old clubhouse is situated where you can't even see the race track anymore. It's all about the casino and the race track feel is gone. Don't get me wrong, I love casino's, just not BP. I don't play slots, never have, blackjack is my game of choice. I miss the old RD with the green wooden bench seating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAIL BIRD View Post
    I've only been to BP one time since it became a casino. In fact, I still have $10 in winning tickets that haven't been cashed yet.

    The old clubhouse is situated where you can't even see the race track anymore. It's all about the casino and the race track feel is gone. Don't get me wrong, I love casino's, just not BP. I don't play slots, never have, blackjack is my game of choice. I miss the old RD with the green wooden bench seating.
    Belterra completely whiffed on the Clubhouse dining and Clubhouse viewing of live racing. The Grandstand is nice and has a great view of the track. The teller spots (and self-serve machines) are not in the best locations but at least it isn't as bad as the Clubhouse. If they wanted to see how to do it correctly at a small track they should have studied Indiana Downs. The Clubhouse seating there is tiered and offers TV tables and a nice view of the track.

    That said I think they realized that they wayyyyyyyy underestimated the social/racing fan compared to the slots fan in this area. They are starting to do more things geared towards the social/racing fan that wants to come to a track and be entertained.

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    Latest Vegas Odds:


    Horse ML Odds
    American Pharoah 10/11
    Frosted 5/1
    Materiality 8/1
    Carpe Diem 12/1
    Mubtaahij 16/1
    Madefromlucky 20/1
    Tale Of Verve 20/1
    Keen Ice 25/1
    Frammento 40/1
    The Truth or Else 50/1

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankdracman23 View Post
    Latest Vegas Odds:


    Horse ML Odds
    American Pharoah 10/11
    Frosted 5/1
    Materiality 8/1
    Carpe Diem 12/1
    Mubtaahij 16/1
    Madefromlucky 20/1
    Tale Of Verve 20/1
    Keen Ice 25/1
    Frammento 40/1
    The Truth or Else 50/1
    TVG is big on The Truth or Else. They have been showing the eleven reasons why this horse has a chance to win The Belmont. Most of the reasons are that he is a local horse and the owners live in New York. FWIW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankdracman23 View Post
    Go to a teller if you know you have winning tickets.
    I just got back from Turfway after having a 45 minute discussion with the "machine guy." He couldn't show me the transaction on the computer print out where the winning ticket was cashed.

    I had a voucher for $48 that I put in the machine. Voucher $48
    I had a winning ticket for $22.60 winning ticket $22.60

    The bolded was on the screen. Then the machine spits out my winning ticket and erases the $22.60 before I even had a chance to make my wager. So I move to the next machine and insert my $22.60 ticket again, this time the machine has displayed this ticket has already been paid. I told the guy that if I was trying to rip them off it would be more than $22.60 He acted like I was a criminal.

    Thanks for the advise Frank, I've learned my lesson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAIL BIRD View Post
    TVG is big on The Truth or Else. They have been showing the eleven reasons why this horse has a chance to win The Belmont. Most of the reasons are that he is a local horse and the owners live in New York. FWIW.
    The truth or else, War story, Carpe Diem show Out for Saturday

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    AP currently 4/5 odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAIL BIRD View Post
    TVG is big on The Truth or Else. They have been showing the eleven reasons why this horse has a chance to win The Belmont. Most of the reasons are that he is a local horse and the owners live in New York. FWIW.
    NEW YORK (AP) — The Belmont Stakes field is down to eight after two horses dropped out.

    Trainer Todd Pletcher said Monday that Carpe Diem won't run Saturday when American Pharoah goes for the Triple Crown. Also, trainer Ken McPeek withdrew The Truth or Else.

    Carpe Diem was 10th in the Kentucky Derby and will point toward the Haskell Invitational or Jim Dandy Stakes this summer. The Truth or Else did not run in the Kentucky Derby or Preakness and has an ankle issue.

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    I love an underdog in an 8-horse race. I can't wait to see the entire field and odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankdracman23 View Post
    NEW YORK (AP) The Belmont Stakes field is down to eight after two horses dropped out.

    Trainer Todd Pletcher said Monday that Carpe Diem won't run Saturday when American Pharoah goes for the Triple Crown. Also, trainer Ken McPeek withdrew The Truth or Else.

    Carpe Diem was 10th in the Kentucky Derby and will point toward the Haskell Invitational or Jim Dandy Stakes this summer. The Truth or Else did not run in the Kentucky Derby or Preakness and has an ankle issue.
    Thanks for the update. Looks like the road to the Triple Crown just got a little easier. The field is down to eight? I hope the field doesn't get any smaller. I'm thinking about not betting this race at all. Short field and a 4/5 favorite until race time, people making their $2 to win just for keepsake will bring the odds down on AP. Race time odds on AP will be 1/5.

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