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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    It's easy. Marvin Lewis can't prepare or game plan against good teams especially in the spot light. Never has never will as far as I can see.


    Last 12 primetime games Marvin is 1-11

    Not good.
    But in 1:00 p.m. or 4:30 p.m. contests on Sunday he is good to go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bugatti View Post
    But in 1:00 p.m. or 4:30 p.m. contests on Sunday he is good to go?
    Their talent is better than most teams in the league so they overcome inferior opponents. Most prime time games they play good teams that have good coaches so the game is around a 50/50 proposition and his ineptness shines through in close games.

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    Had nothing to do with 'prime time'. Could have played the game at 3 AM and they would've got it handed to them.

    1) The Patriots were juiced
    2) Defensive front 7 got handled
    3) The Pats Oline found a combo that worked
    4) Brady knew our blitz tendencies and picked them up. When he didn't pick them up, he knew where they were coming from and made sure he knew where his release was and got the ball out.
    5) When Brady threw quick, our DB's never jumped the route
    6) We turned the ball over
    7) We didn't make the plays that were there to be made (Looking at you, Gresham)
    8) We weren't sound in the kicking game
    9) Missed tackles

    It's not like these players say "Man it's a night game, I think I'll try harder... or make smarter decisions... or block and tackle better." They got beat by a team that played better. Time of day has ZERO to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSC View Post
    Their talent is better than most teams in the league so they overcome inferior opponents. Most prime time games they play good teams that have good coaches so the game is around a 50/50 proposition and his ineptness shines through in close games.
    A lot of good coaches are also able to adjust to the varying schedules. I do not think his game prep is any different, but varying tones are set with odd travel and game times. That is more of an organizational development thing, which too falls back on the coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugatti View Post
    But in 1:00 p.m. or 4:30 p.m. contests on Sunday he is good to go?
    Against average to bad teams he is good. His career W/L record against teams with winning records is still pretty sad. Only the last year or two I believe he started winning some of those games.

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    I've always believed that when you have recurrent inconsistency of any sort with a team that it starts with coaching.

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    Could be a mental thing related to the pressure of trying to disprove that they always choke under these circumstances, but the more they do choke year after year, they develop a certain self-doubt that they are not willing to admit, and a self identity and inner belief of being chokers, and it effects them because it's an extra mental obstacle to pass through, when just succeeding in a game is pressure enough.

    They become their own worst enemies with the added burden of trying to prove something to themselves when history is stacked against them.

    Sorta like Covington Catholic choking against Highlands year after year. It becomes more than just the game at hand, but them trying to defeat their entire history of constantly losing to them.

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    Short post for you BBf but big on content!

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    Quote Originally Posted by B-Ball-fan View Post
    Could be a mental thing related to the pressure of trying to disprove that they always choke under these circumstances, but the more they do choke year after year, they develop a certain self-doubt that they are not willing to admit, and a self identity and inner belief of being chokers, and it effects them because it's an extra mental obstacle to pass through, when just succeeding in a game is pressure enough.

    They become their own worst enemies with the added burden of trying to prove something to themselves when history is stacked against them.

    Sorta like Covington Catholic choking against Highlands year after year. It becomes more than just the game at hand, but them trying to defeat their entire history of constantly losing to them.
    I was with you until that Cov Cath stuff.

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    We need a prime time game against Jacksonville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl View Post
    I was with you until that Cov Cath stuff.
    Not to beat up on anyone but I thought it was a pretty solid analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugatti View Post
    But in 1:00 p.m. or 4:30 p.m. contests on Sunday he is good to go?

    He's NEVER EVER good. EVER! When they win it's in spite of his mismanaging ways. He is my least favorite professional coach (hell, any level ) and has been for ten years.

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    I agree with the points people are making about athletes being professional, but it's very hard for me to not look past coaching, particularly Marvin Lewis. Between the prime time night games against well coached teams and the playoffs, he's won only one game in 10 years. I believe that this is more than enough of an indicator to point the finger at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B-Ball-fan View Post
    Could be a mental thing related to the pressure of trying to disprove that they always choke under these circumstances, but the more they do choke year after year, they develop a certain self-doubt that they are not willing to admit, and a self identity and inner belief of being chokers, and it effects them because it's an extra mental obstacle to pass through, when just succeeding in a game is pressure enough.


    They become their own worst enemies with the added burden of trying to prove something to themselves when history is stacked against them.

    Sorta like Covington Catholic choking against Highlands year after year. It becomes more than just the game at hand, but them trying to defeat their entire history of constantly losing to them.
    Damn, Dr Phil, you may be on to something. Doesn't Phil say, "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior"? I guess future prime-time games don't look too promising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    Damn, Dr Phil, you may be on to something. Doesn't Phil say, "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior"? I guess future prime-time games don't look too promising.
    Probably not...

    ...I'm as thrilled as the next guy that they started the season looking pretty good,

    (and even in those games they displayed issues you wouldn't see with a dominating type team),

    but I personally can't even shake the feeling that the clown act is just around the corner with them when so many times over the course of their franchise's history they've embarrassed themselves by wearing the label as league walk overs.

    No team in the history of the NFL seems to bring the comedy to the National spotlight like the Bengals do.

    I had a bad feeling even going into last night, and thought that it would be an absolute shock if they came away looking like a top team in the league.

    Sadly, they gave us what we've come to expect.

    In their defense, facing Tom Brady on his own turf is never gonna be easy, and the first effortless drive for the Pats spelled things out all too painfully well that it was gonna be one of those nights.

    I want them to succeed, and hope they can rebound from this loss and get back on track, but I'm gun shy with them, and won't be holding my breath.

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