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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    So you think one or two plays a game the Ravens used him in. Is the same as a game plan the Ravens had knowing he would play all game. Ok then. Definitely will agree to disagree with that then.
    Yes, we'll agree to disagree. Jackson played more like 6-7 plays (usually 3-4 each half) a game, so that X 9 leaves you 54-63 plays to look at, of which he ran those plays today exactly the same way he ran them the first 9 games. Also, as I said I think the farthest he threw the ball in the air was about 12 yards, so just don't see how you can let them run for 265 YARDS and not make them score on you passing the ball. But, as I said earlier, the D didn't really beat us today with all that, the offense is just above terrible so I'll go on my Tyler Eifert rant that I did when he got hurt and 2-3 posters on here ripped me for it. Anyone who thinks AJ is the key to this offense doesn't know what he's talking about (I love AJ), it's Tyler Eifert, just simply by his presence on the field.
    34 pts vs Indy, (1 def score)
    34 pts vs Ravens
    21 vs. Carolina
    28 pts first half vs. Falcons when he played

    since
    9 second half vs Falcons with AJ still playing
    27 vs. Dolphins - TWO defensive TD, O scored 13 with AJ
    21 vs Pburg- defense was terrible at the time, yes with AJ
    10 vs KC against one of the worst pass defenses in NFL at the time with AJ
    37 vs Tampa Bay, including a pick 6 AND 4 int by Winston
    7 vs NO, (I don't count the TD scored at the end when they flooded the field and both teams sent in their subs
    21 today vs Ravens- a 57 yd drive, 45 yd drive and 31 yd drive
    Dumb Dumb call by Bill Lazor on the TE screen, you guys said it was football, well running bubble screens to wide receivers is football to but I don't remember the Patriots making Moss run those, why, because they didn't want to put him in that position, they knew how valuable he was to just have his presence on the field, just good coaching, something Bill didn't do with Tyler, as I said before, even Marvin said in preseason there are certain things you just can't do with Eifert anymore, they should've realized that play was 1 of them!! Dumb Dumb
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16thBBall Fan View Post
    Yes, we'll agree to disagree. Jackson played more like 6-7 plays (usually 3-4 each half) a game, so that X 9 leaves you 54-63 plays to look at, of which he ran those plays today exactly the same way he ran them the first 9 games. Also, as I said I think the farthest he threw the ball in the air was about 12 yards, so just don't see how you can let them run for 265 YARDS and not make them score on you passing the ball. But, as I said earlier, the D didn't really beat us today with all that, the offense is just above terrible so I'll go on my Tyler Eifert rant that I did when he got hurt and 2-3 posters on here ripped me for it. Anyone who thinks AJ is the key to this offense doesn't know what he's talking about (I love AJ), it's Tyler Eifert, just simply by his presence on the field.
    34 pts vs Indy, (1 def score)
    34 pts vs Ravens
    21 vs. Carolina
    28 pts first half vs. Falcons when he played

    since
    9 second half vs Falcons with AJ still playing
    27 vs. Dolphins - TWO defensive TD, O scored 13 with AJ
    21 vs Pburg- defense was terrible at the time, yes with AJ
    10 vs KC against one of the worst pass defenses in NFL at the time with AJ
    37 vs Tampa Bay, including a pick 6 AND 4 int by Winston
    7 vs NO, (I don't count the TD scored at the end when they flooded the field and both teams sent in their subs
    21 today vs Ravens- a 57 yd drive, 45 yd drive and 31 yd drive
    Dumb Dumb call by Bill Lazor on the TE screen, you guys said it was football, well running bubble screens to wide receivers is football to but I don't remember the Patriots making Moss run those, why, because they didn't want to put him in that position, they knew how valuable he was to just have his presence on the field, just good coaching, something Bill didn't do with Tyler, as I said before, even Marvin said in preseason there are certain things you just can't do with Eifert anymore, they should've realized that play was 1 of them!! Dumb Dumb
    We will continue to agree to disagree. Even though I admit I had no idea you watched every single Raven game this year. To know exactly how many plays each game he ran and exactly what each play was and how they were the exact same ones they ran today. So props to you for watching every single Raven snap this year.

    As for Eifert being key. I do agree there. Hence why I wanted him back this year and think they still should sign him back again, while also drafting a new athletic te too.

    As for that play it was football and I did see the Patruots run plenty of just quick passes out to Moss where he just turned around caught it and then ran. Same with Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, shoot even AJ Green. At the end of the day it was simply bad luck. It was not a play is a high percentage play of someone getting hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 16thBBall Fan View Post
    The Bengals have 6 games left: 2 vs. Browns, Broncos, Raiders, Chargers, and the Steelers. I think they need to finish probably 4-2 to get a wild card. Chargers and the Steelers on the road will be tough. I really think they have to win the other 4 to get in the playoffs and I think they can do it.
    Definitely very well could win the 4 you mentioned. But they will need Green back and both offensively and defensively have to get it figured out and quick.

    Chances are somehow it will come down to having to beat the dang Steelers the last week of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    We will continue to agree to disagree. Even though I admit I had no idea you watched every single Raven game this year. To know exactly how many plays each game he ran and exactly what each play was and how they were the exact same ones they ran today. So props to you for watching every single Raven snap this year.

    As for Eifert being key. I do agree there. Hence why I wanted him back this year and think they still should sign him back again, while also drafting a new athletic te too.

    As for that play it was football and I did see the Patruots run plenty of just quick passes out to Moss where he just turned around caught it and then ran. Same with Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, shoot even AJ Green. At the end of the day it was simply bad luck. It was not a play is a high percentage play of someone getting hurt.
    You like to get smart and that's ok, I can handle it. No, I don't watch every Ravens play, just checked their stat page, coming into this game they had Jackson for 28 rushes and 12 passes in the first 9 games, I'd guess he's probably handed it off at least 10 times in those 9 games so that's AT LEAST 50 plays for the Bengals to watch and prepare, just the facts partner!
    I didn't say QUICK passes, I said BUBBLE screens, which puts the receiver in a LOT of traffic from both directions in crowded space, just like TE screens do, but, the Patriots realized that he was too valuable to put in that position which would INCREASE the chances of him getting hurt, which is what Lazor did with Eifert, just for your info, I've had SEVERAL FB coaches agree with me on that line of thinking. It's also bad luck if you're walking down the road at night and get hit by a car, SO don't walk down the road at night!!

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    Everyone, stay calm and keep the talk about the game, not each other. I'd rather not have to deal with any rule 2 violations after such a win by my Ravens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by True blue (and gold) View Post
    Everyone, stay calm and keep the talk about the game, not each other. I'd rather not have to deal with any rule 2 violations after such a win by my Ravens.
    Congrats on the win by the way. We just have two completely different opinions on things. So I will at least stop and will agree to disagree.

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    Interesting take that the Bengals' woes are due to Eifert's absence? While a big Effect fan from the beginning, if he's the key to victory, then the Who-Deys are in deep do-do. He's just cursed physically, like it or not.

    But seriously, the Bengals problems are far deeper; and if you don't include front office & coaching in those discussions, then you're way off track & seriously need to look at your brand of Kool-Aid. ALL NFL teams deal with injuries and sometimes they can't overcome them; but to blame their lack of success on a consistently injured tight end is somewhat comical??

    Love the playoff scenarios being discussed, but what would make one think IF they make the playoffs it would last longer than one game (see 15 year history of Coach Lewis)? Reason I gave up on this franchise was the inability (or downright stubbornness) of the front office to change by bringing back the hugely underachieving Marvin Lewis again.

    My condolences to all of you fans that continue to give your money & allegiance to Mike Brown & Company; but I'll continue to move forward and enjoy the sheer look of happiness I see on the face of Andrew Whitworth every week when I watch the Rams lay each week. After standing up for Mikey & his minions' antics for years, and being the only real spokesperson for them; he really deserves to go out a winner with his head high!! Hope Mikey buys another thousand trench coats with what he saved by letting him go??

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    BTW--Really good to see the way the D responded with the genius Mavin calling the plays today! New QB, making his first NFL start, who had a knock coming in as a great athlete, but lacked pro passing skills; let's play straight up pass oriented D and force the run--Worked out quite well didn't it?? Can only imagine what he'll dial up for Cleveland next week with Hue's help?

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    Bengals main problem is no depth at receiver.

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    Bengals defense gave up 265 yards rushing 2 tds.

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    Hard to believe Suggs is playing his 16th year.

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    The Bengals played just ok at times and pretty bad at others. Over the past few years they struggle with mobile QB's and LJ is about as athletic as it gets. It should be a pretty easy concept to stop and they eventually contained LJ (some), but then Edwards went wild and they started their non-tackling thing again.
    Eventually, LJ will be made to throw the ball and that verdict is stilll out. But I was impressed yesterday for a first start and significant time playing.

    The offense has regressed a lot. The Ravens stopped Mixon with blitz rushes and then pressured AD. The only receiver who can get separation is Boyd and Uzomah (at times). They doubled Boyd and Uzomah had to stay in and block some, due to blitzes. It just did not give AD much time to scope the field and he needs time to do that. They boxed Gio up, also when he played. AD actually did about as much as he could given the skill set he is working with.

    Bottom line, this is an average NFL team at the moment, trending downward. The Colts are average, trending upward, to compare similar type of teams. 5-5 is 5-5 and that is average. I have difficulty believing they will be anything but 8-8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pura Vida View Post
    Congrats to Lamar Jackson on his first win as QB!! I thought he was great, hope he gets the start again next week.

    Per Kelley Dickey: NFL Week 11: Lamar Jackson (Ravens) started at QB and was 13-19 for 150 yards (long=23) with no TDs and 1 INT. He was sacked 2 times for 12 yards and had 27 carries for 117 yards (long=21). He had 1 fumble, which he recovered for a 3-yard loss, and 1 miscellaneous solo tackle.
    Looked like they were running a college offense for Lamar Jackson. I'd be curious after a week or two of tape if that could remain successful for him. 27 carries is a crap ton for a QB.

    Not often you see a QB & RB run for 100 yards. Special day for both of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJAlltheWay24 View Post
    Looked like they were running a college offense for Lamar Jackson. I'd be curious after a week or two of tape if that could remain successful for him. 27 carries is a crap ton for a QB.

    Not often you see a QB & RB run for 100 yards. Special day for both of them.
    Yeah, it seemed they were running plays that he’s comfortable with to keep up his confidence. The analysts were saying it was a big shift for the entire offense (honestly, I’m generally unfamiliar with the Ravens normal offense). He did very well thanks to that team support. With that said though we kept yelling at the coaches to let him throw, lol.

    Will definitely be interesting to see how it goes for future games. I'll be tuning in!

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    Running your QB 27 times in an NFL game is a surefire way to make sure they have a short career. It worked out Sunday, and thankfully no injuries, but incredibly reckless IMO.

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