My Tebow thoughts

I've heard so much on Tim Tebow but haven't really heard the two things I think about the most going into this year.
1st the Broncos. I am a BIG Peyton Manning fan. Love him and how he prepares/operates. I think the media has totally missed one of the biggest things Tebow brought to the Broncos. They ran the heck out of the football with a backup running back. Most of that was because Tebow was such a threat to run from the QB position which changes everything for a defense. I've been an offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator with a ton of success. There's very little that is a bigger pain for a defense than a dual threat QB especially one that can dominate running the ball.
There is a trickle down effect that I think everybody is missing. The Broncos defense the year before Tebow was atrocious! Before he took over the team wasn't very good. Go back and look at their record. I don't have the time of posession but every game I watched the Bronocs dominated the time of possession because they ran the ball so well. That's the big thing I think that isn't talked about. That allowed the Broncos defense to sit on the sideline and rest their legs which is great for guys like Champ Bailey!
Now you are going to have an offense that runs up and down the field with Manning. The defense will now spend a TON of time on the field I think. I think that can be a huge problem for the Broncos. It will be something to watch along with how much their run production goes down. People can say anything they want about Tebow. What you can't dispute was he took a bad team and turned it around. So much that they beat the Pitt Steelers in the playoffs!
For NY you have Sanchez. I'm not a big fan but he has been to 2 Conference Championships. They have changed offensive coordinators to get to more of a "Ground and Pound" running game. Would you rather have a guy like Sanchez to lead your offense to "ground and pound" then win with great defense or would you rather have Tebow who took a Den team with a backup running back and led the league in rushing I think! To me he is your "ground and pound" guy. You run the ball with him and lean on the Def NY could be tough to deal with.

Lots of good points.

However, you can't win the SB in the NFL without an elite QB unless you have the 1985 Bears or the 2001 Ravens D.

It's really that simple IMO as to why Tebow will always be questioned.

Originally Posted by Clyde

Lots of good points.

However, you can't win the SB in the NFL without an elite QB unless you have the 1985 Bears or the 2001 Ravens D.

It's really that simple IMO as to why Tebow will always be questioned.

Correct, but you can build a team around Tebow and win, and maybe win a SB.

Some of these teams that are very bad in the NFL might want to look at that....Jacksonville, Cleveland, Miami, Seattle.....

Good man, below average QB. Doesn't deserve near the praise nor the flack he gets. It doesn't seem to bother him either way so I'm not going to worry about him. I'll root for him when he's not playing a team I like.

I was thinking yesterday that I've never heard one teammate complain about Tebow's expression of faith.

Originally Posted by stick1

There's very little that is a bigger pain for a defense than a dual threat QB especially one that can dominate running the ball..

While this makes sense, I can't think of too many instances where a dual threat qb has lead his team to a championship or similar success on the Pro or college level. It seems like most championship teams use a pure pocket passer. I am not arguing with you, it would seem when the defense has to respect the QB's running ability, they now have to assign someone to the QB and take someone out of coverage which you would think would open up the passing game even more than if you had a pure pocket passer.

I guess we will find out Friday!

Originally Posted by Bert

While this makes sense, I can't think of too many instances where a dual threat qb has lead his team to a championship or similar success on the Pro or college level. It seems like most championship teams use a pure pocket passer. I am not arguing with you, it would seem when the defense has to respect the QB's running ability, they now have to assign someone to the QB and take someone out of coverage which you would think would open up the passing game even more than if you had a pure pocket passer.

Vince Young did in college.

Good points stick but in essence if we all follow your logic that creates a QB controversy in New York.

Originally Posted by PepRock01

Vince Young did in college.

There is one but I cannot think of many more.

Clyde your right, I don't recall many if any team mates complaining about his showing of his faith. In fact not many teammates have complained about his play after he played with them. I know some Jets talked bad about him when they acquired him, but now that they see how hard he actuallly works it hard for them to beat on him.

Originally Posted by theguru

Good points stick but in essence if we all follow your logic that creates a QB controversy in New York.

There's already a controversy and they haven't taken a snap. The big reason I started this thread is I think it's going to be interesting to see what Den does this year especially on Def. I think Tebow was HUGE for their defense because they were always fresh.
There's no doubt the NFL is a QB league. If I could have Rodgers or Brees then I'm taking them. There's only a handful of those guys out there then there's a group down to 10-15 that can play. If I had to build a team to win on running the ball and defense (which is what the Jets say they are) then I'm personally building around Tebow over Sanchez.
I think you haven't seen a QB do it because it really hasn't been tried that I can think of. The big reason IMO is there is soooo much money invested in QB's that owners don't want to take the risk of a QB running the ball so much and getting pounded. For an average QB that's understandable. Tebow is a freak. I don't know how long he can hold up but I've been watching him since high school and only seen him go out once.
I think way to much emphasis has been put on his throwing motion. I get that NFL corners are so good that any flaw they expose. To me that's a big problem if he is a dropback QB. My question to that is he might be the best ever in doing what he does. Why not build the offense around what's made him successful. Denver finally figured that out last year. They started listening to him about what he did at Fla and installed Fla's stuff. Same with Cam Newton. They built the system around what he did well. Drives me nuts when NFL coaches don't use players to their strengths. Example pay a fortune to get maybe the best press corner in the league in Nahmdi Asamugh (sp) and use him all year in zone+off man. When you start running all the option stuff Tebow does you only get so many coverages because teams have to load up on the run. Now he hurts you with play action, boot, sprint out, screen etc. You don't have to have flawless throwing form to excel at that stuff. The media will never talk about that though.
End of the day I'm anxious to see how being on the field way more will effect Den. I'm also anxious to see how Tebow does on a team w a top 5 Def and weapons on Off. Also an offensive coordinator that is notorious to be a great run coach.

I don't think I'd call Tebow a dual threat. He can run but he isn't all that much of a passing threat.

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That said, for the makeup of the Jets team and the style they would prefer, I think they'd be a better team with Tebow under center. Obviously, that is assuming Sanchez is the same as previous years. Either way, I don't think a Super Bowl win is in the cards for them, but they could certainly be a playoff team as in years past.

Originally Posted by Bert

There is one but I cannot think of many more.

Cam Newton and of course Tim Tebow. With Young, that makes 3 of the last 7 Championships won by dual threat QBs.

Originally Posted by halfback20

I don't think I'd call Tebow a dual threat. He can run but he isn't all that much of a passing threat.

I think the media has blown that up so much. I've watched him a lot at Fla and several games in Den this year. He's not a top dropback QB but what he does running the ball forces defenses to load up on the run. This makes his quick and play action game efficient. The media goes nuts how he can't be a dropback QB. As a coach I say why the heck do I want to make him a dropback QB? I'm going to turn loose what might be the most gifted pounding QB in history loose and make my passing game one of play action, bootleg, rollout, quick game and screen game. The media can blow up how he's not a dropback passer or a flawed delivery all they want. To me it's like saying Aaron Rodgers isn't a good option QB. Thats not what his gift is so why force it?
The NFL is a copycat league. It's uncharted waters what he does and it makes a lot of people nervous. I think it's going to be fun to watch because the one thing that can't be disputed is that he is a winner. He makes his team a better football team on both sides of the ball. There's never been a player under the microscope more good and bad. He has an unflappable attitude. I'm not a Jets guy. I think they talk to much without backing it up. I do think they have a top 5 D this year and weapons on OFF. The Panthers built around Newton's dual threat ability. Sparrano will build around pounding the ball and giving Tebow throws that he is successful with. I also think he will work as hard as anybody in the league. That is important. Going to be fun to see how things shake out. Wish Hard Knocks was there this year!