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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    Keep Conner on the field, Bell on the sidelines keeps his body fresh. He’ll be a free agent at the end of the year. I’ll be shocked if he plays in Pittsburgh after this season. Some team will pay him what he wants and he can use this year off as leverage for the wear and tear on his body. He ain’t getting beat up on the sidelines.
    Keeping his body fresh is the only positive in that scenario. The longer Connor plays and produces, the more his value drops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    Keeping his body fresh is the only positive in that scenario. The longer Connor plays and produces, the more his value drops.
    For Pittsburgh. Not for everyone else. David Johnson just got 30M guaranteed. Bell can get between 30M and 40M guaranteed from someone next offseason. Especially if Connor keeps Pittsburgh from sabotaging Bell’s offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    For Pittsburgh. Not for everyone else. David Johnson just got 30M guaranteed. He can get between 30M and 40M guaranteed from someone next offseason. Especially if Connor keeps Pittsburgh from sabotaging his offseason.
    Hopefully he can then. If he wants to play on a terrible team to get paid a little more, more power to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    Hopefully he can then. If he wants to play on a terrible team to get paid a little more, more power to him.
    Not specific to Bell, but in general, I think today's professional athletes care very little about winning. Getting paid is their #1 concern. I can't fault them, that's my #1 concern with my career as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    A couple of offensive linemen talked crap. Antonio Brown spoke out in his defense. How many people total spoke out? Three? Four? 55 people on the team, three talk crap, one defends him and now he’s a crappy teammate?
    I don't think it's out of line to question Bell as a teammate when multiple teammates aren't in support of him. Seems like players often side with each other in these matters. Why aren't those lineman supportive? You can question them as bad teammates, but you can just as easily question if there is more to it and they think Bell is a bad one. We'll probably never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    Not specific to Bell, but in general, I think today's professional athletes care very little about winning. Getting paid is their #1 concern. I can't fault them, that's my #1 concern with my career as well.
    Valid point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    Bell isnít replaceable and I am amazed that people overlook his skill set. Heís the most complete RB since LaDanian Tomlinson. The fact that he is 27 and hasnít truly been able to cash in on his talent is absurd.
    That's a little misleading. He has had chances to cash in on his talent. He just wants to set the market at running back. He probably very easily would have had at least a 12 to 14 million per year contract as early as last year if he wanted. He has choosen not to do that though.

    He probably should have taken the deal, and then hold back out after a couple of years. This way he would have a heck of a lot more money than he does now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    That's a little misleading. He has had chances to cash in on his talent. He just wants to set the market at running back. He probably very easily would have had at least a 12 to 14 million per year contract as early as last year if he wanted. He has choosen not to do that though.

    He probably should have taken the deal, and then hold back out after a couple of years. This way he would have a heck of a lot more money than he does now.
    Bell had an offer on the table for five years, an average of 12 million per year over the contract, with 30 million in the first two years (so $15 million per year for 2017 and 2018). I can't find anything specific about the guaranteed money, but what I did find was a specific outlining that the Steelers don't do guaranteed money for later years of contracts. That has always been the issue from the Bell side of things. $15 million a year over the first two years is outstanding. no one would dispute that. It would have been a raise of about $4 million over what he would have made from those two years without sacrificing game checks like he is now. But it would leave him in the same situation that he'd have been if he signed this offseason. The lack of guarantees means the minute the Steelers feel they have used him up they will throw him away and it will cost them nothing to do so.

    That's all without knowing the exact guarantees of the 2017 offer. Maybe he should have taken it. Maybe they did make guarantees and he was greedy. We'll likely not know that part for certain. But that is definitely what happened this offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    Hopefully he can then. If he wants to play on a terrible team to get paid a little more, more power to him.
    All athletes are stupid to take less money to play for a better team but if that is what they choose to do then more power to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJAlltheWay24 View Post
    I don't think it's out of line to question Bell as a teammate when multiple teammates aren't in support of him. Seems like players often side with each other in these matters. Why aren't those lineman supportive? You can question them as bad teammates, but you can just as easily question if there is more to it and they think Bell is a bad one. We'll probably never know.
    But yet folks are calling Bell the bad teammate instead of the linemen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    That's a little misleading. He has had chances to cash in on his talent. He just wants to set the market at running back. He probably very easily would have had at least a 12 to 14 million per year contract as early as last year if he wanted. He has choosen not to do that though.

    He probably should have taken the deal, and then hold back out after a couple of years. This way he would have a heck of a lot more money than he does now.
    What was he offered?


    Nevermind. DragonFire answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonFire View Post
    Bell had an offer on the table for five years, an average of 12 million per year over the contract, with 30 million in the first two years (so $15 million per year for 2017 and 2018). I can't find anything specific about the guaranteed money, but what I did find was a specific outlining that the Steelers don't do guaranteed money for later years of contracts. That has always been the issue from the Bell side of things. $15 million a year over the first two years is outstanding. no one would dispute that. It would have been a raise of about $4 million over what he would have made from those two years without sacrificing game checks like he is now. But it would leave him in the same situation that he'd have been if he signed this offseason. The lack of guarantees means the minute the Steelers feel they have used him up they will throw him away and it will cost them nothing to do so.

    That's all without knowing the exact guarantees of the 2017 offer. Maybe he should have taken it. Maybe they did make guarantees and he was greedy. We'll likely not know that part for certain. But that is definitely what happened this offseason.
    All I want to know is what was the guaranteed money on the table. If there wasn’t guaranteed money on the table then I can’t blame him at all for not accepting the offer. Seeing as how that info hasn’t been leaked I can’t help but think that they didn’t offer much guaranteed money to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    All athletes are stupid to take less money to play for a better team but if that is what they choose to do then more power to them as well.
    PP, I respect the heck out of you but I think you painted with too broad a brush on this one. Once pro athletes are financially secure, some, I think, will opt for playing on a team that can contend for a championship even if it means less money. I wouldn't call that "stupid." I might call it fulfilling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcjkbt View Post
    PP, I respect the heck out of you but I think you painted with too broad a brush on this one. Once pro athletes are financially secure, some, I think, will opt for playing on a team that can contend for a championship even if it means less money. I wouldn't call that "stupid." I might call it fulfilling.
    I’ve been unionized for a long time and it has shaped my mindset. I can’t imagine the thought of selling yourself short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    I’ve been unionized for a long time and it has shaped my mindset. I can’t imagine the thought of selling yourself short.
    I guess that is where we differ. To me, opting for a more fulfilling job/career is not necessarily selling oneself short. Money is not the only criterion.

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