J Joseph comes out swinging

I'm not defending Mike Brown. I know many Bengals fans seem to hate him. I just don't see how it's a surprise that a player likes his new team better than his old team. Especially considering the new team gave him a $48 million deal.

Originally Posted by ColonelCrazy

I'm surprised so many people are bashing JJ and defending Mike Brown.

I'm not. It's kind of like the pathetic chick who suffers years upon years of her man slapping her around, browbeating her at every turn. When asked why she doesn't leave, she says, "But he loves me."

Originally Posted by halfback20

I'm not defending Mike Brown. I know many Bengals fans seem to hate him. I just don't see how it's a surprise that a player likes his new team better than his old team. Especially considering the new team gave him a $48 million deal.

It's more than just that. The nickel-dime stuff was the same crap that Marge Schott did -- like charge the press corps for printing costs of the daily info sheet. Guess what? Her "million-dollar (negroes)" hated her, too, for the same reasons. OK, well, the racism may have played a part, but those guys would have overlooked a lot if they were treated with respect, instead of as pieces of meat.

The bottom line is if you're buying a sports franchise for the sole purpose of it being your one and only business, you should find another business. It's way too volatile. You make money on a sports franchise when you sell it, not while you run it. You buy it for vanity purposes.

Originally Posted by SSC

Exactly. This isn't whining about not getting paid. This is about getting somewhere else and realizing the way it's supposed to be. This is Artrell Hawkins going to NE and laughing at the differences. This is Takeo Spikes telling Dan Patrick in an interview how exciting it was the Gals finally got newer and bigger towels. It's culture. It's what it will take for the stadium to sell out all the time again. They seem headed in the right direction. Are they committed to really making themselves not a laughingstock?

Mike Brown is cheaper than most owners, and definitely makes sure that he makes money. However as long as the team is winning, or people just believing they will win then people will come back. Mike Brown has not changed his ways much at all, yet we are already seeing people come back. Winning fixes everything, Mike Brown can run the team the same way as always but as long as they win people will and have already started coming back. Hopefully it continues.

Originally Posted by Jim Schue

It's more than just that. The nickel-dime stuff was the same crap that Marge Schott did -- like charge the press corps for printing costs of the daily info sheet. Guess what? Her "million-dollar (negroes)" hated her, too, for the same reasons. OK, well, the racism may have played a part, but those guys would have overlooked a lot if they were treated with respect, instead of as pieces of meat.

The bottom line is if you're buying a sports franchise for the sole purpose of it being your one and only business, you should find another business. It's way too volatile. You make money on a sports franchise when you sell it, not while you run it. You buy it for vanity purposes.

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Neither party is righteous. And I am no huge Mike Brown fan, but I will say that the Brown family is still around from an era when people did buy sports franchises to make money. The Rooney, Mara, Halas and the like we're the norm. It is a new world now with the billionaires buying franchises as toys. Brown's owned and became millionaires running this franchise. They send their children to Ivy league schools and then bring them home to work in the family business to share in the wealth. They too will become millionaires from this business. What incentive does Mike have to change what has served his father, he and his siblings, his children and nephews, and now grandchildren, so well?

A monkey could make money running an NFL franchise. And to prove this as fact we have the likes of McNair. Again no Brown apologist, but who is really off the norm of society, business sense, common sense? Is it really Brown, or is it the McNair's of the league. Who is really wrong, the guy who says ' let me get you soap, deodorant, fluffy towles, and Gatoraide to take home to your family; or Brown who says I pay you 10 million a year, go buy your own Gatoraide for home?"

I have a business background and have always appreciated that those who work for me are well compensated and have the best benefits available. This affords me to hire the best people available. However, after having provided that, I have no tolerance for those who pick at what they don't have or what someone else is getting. (JJ)

me 50.... where is the Bengals indoor practice facility... oh it's call Wall 2 Wall soccer in Mason, OH. Anyone been in the Bengals gym its smaller than Fitworks in my opinion. Keep locking up the Gatorade Browns.

Originally Posted by futurecoach

Mike Brown is cheaper than most owners, and definitely makes sure that he makes money. However as long as the team is winning, or people just believing they will win then people will come back. Mike Brown has not changed his ways much at all, yet we are already seeing people come back. Winning fixes everything, Mike Brown can run the team the same way as always but as long as they win people will and have already started coming back. Hopefully it continues.

Not even the Steelers game this year is a sellout. How sure are you that the fans come back with winning?

Originally Posted by SSC

Not even the Steelers game this year is a sellout. How sure are you that the fans come back with winning?

I doubt the Bengals have many problems selling tickets this year.

Originally Posted by Jim Schue

I'm not. It's kind of like the pathetic chick who suffers years upon years of her man slapping her around, browbeating her at every turn. When asked why she doesn't leave, she says, "But he loves me."

Kind of like UK fans and the SEC in football. Battered Team syndrome I call it.

Originally Posted by ColonelCrazy

I doubt the Bengals have many problems selling tickets this year.

Zero sellouts says otherwise.

Originally Posted by SSC

Zero sellouts says otherwise.

A couple weeks back I heard an employee of the Bengals say that, if they stopped selling tickets then, they would have sold the 4th most season tickets since the move to PBS.

Originally Posted by ColonelCrazy

I doubt the Bengals have many problems selling tickets this year.

Agreed. I know all kinds of idiots that give the Browns money.

Originally Posted by SSC

Not even the Steelers game this year is a sellout. How sure are you that the fans come back with winning?

I am fairly certain of that considering now that the Steelers and Cowboys games have basically sold out with very limited seats left for those games, and also the Browns game is getting close as well. Remember sell outs usually occur because of season tickets, and so many people dropped them last year because of them thinking they would be the worst team in football. This year they started getting the numbers back up again, and now have two game that will be sell outs already in those two. Then the Browns opener will most likely have the last few tickets it needs sold. Then safe to assume as long as the Bengals dont start the year off horrible, then the games against the likes of the Giants, Broncos will also definitely sell out. People have already started to show that they are coming back, and yet the same owner is in place. Winning cures all, just like if people think they will suck people give up on them and dont want to waste money. The economy being bad hurts it even more from selling even quicker.

Originally Posted by ColonelCrazy

I doubt the Bengals have many problems selling tickets this year.

So why are they already offering single game tickets?

Originally Posted by HammerTime

So why are they already offering single game tickets?

Is that unusual? With their home schedule, I'm sure there are many out of town / visiting fans that will want to take a road trip & attend a game.

Originally Posted by HammerTime

So why are they already offering single game tickets?

Exactly. Pittsburgh and Dallas are almost sell outs because they are Pittsburgh and Dallas. Not because of the Bengals fans. They will benefit greatly from their home schedule having good teams. That won't help them win though

Originally Posted by ColonelCrazy

Is that unusual? With their home schedule, I'm sure there are many out of town / visiting fans that will want to take a road trip & attend a game.

Yes.

Originally Posted by SSC

Exactly. Pittsburgh and Dallas are almost sell outs because they are Pittsburgh and Dallas. Not because of the Bengals fans. They will benefit greatly from their home schedule having good teams. That won't help them win though

Those games were already selling very well before the single game tickets went on sale. Not to mention with the economy the way it is, your not going to have all the season tickets that were dropped last year brought back. However we already started to see it start to go up again pretty quickly even with the bad economy just because now they believe the Bengals will be a good time, when at this time last year most people thought they would suck and some people said they be lucky to win a game. Winning last year has brought the fans coming back, just like if they get off to a good start this year and prove it was no fluke then the rest of the games will have no problem either. Its all about winning if they win fans will keep coming back, even though Mike Brown is still the owner.

Originally Posted by ColonelCrazy

I'm surprised so many people are bashing JJ and defending Mike Brown.

All it took was a millionaire complaining that his employer didn't give him free soap and gatorade.

Originally Posted by 75center

All it took was a millionaire complaining that his employer didn't give him free soap and gatorade.

Then people need to pay closer attention because what he's saying is that the Bengals millionaires get a lot less than other NFL teams millionaires.

I've always found it amusing that the more money you make the more free stuff you get.