Is Colin Kaepernick an upgrade from Andy Dalton?

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    No. Give AJ McCarron a chance before you decide to chase after a new starter. Also, beef up the O-line. No QB will look good with horrendous blocking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    He is definitely good enough to be a backup. Their are a lot of bad qbs in this league. However if teams don't view him as a starter. He is not worth the risk of having the attention he would bring even as a backup. No team wants stories about their backup qb that get national attention. Same reason why Tebow didn't get signed. He actually is better than a lot of backups. However not worth the national news that comes with it. You want stories about your team not your backup qb.
    For a guy who wants to be a coach you give a lot of bad analysis on football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    For a guy who wants to be a coach you give a lot of bad analysis on football.
    Thanks your opinion on this, which is not a fact matters very much to me. Thanks for your wonderful insight on the matter. Hopefully I can learn and see some good analysis about football from you on here one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    Thanks your opinion on this, which is not a fact matters very much to me. Thanks for your wonderful insight on the matter. Hopefully I can learn and see some good analysis about football from you on here one day.
    You have spent pages saying Kap is still a good QB. He was good for a season and half then became terrible when exposed to game films by DC's in the NFL. He was apart of the QB option era, notice both he and RG3 don't have jobs. There is a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    You have spent pages saying Kap is still a good QB. He was good for a season and half then became terrible when exposed to game films by DC's in the NFL. He was apart of the QB option era, notice both he and RG3 don't have jobs. There is a reason.
    So wait when people make every excuse in the world for Dalton when he plays bad, it's a legit excuse. He doesn't have enough weapons when Green is hurt, then its he doesn't have a run game, then its he doesn't have a line, or the offensive coordinator isn't good. Those all are legit excuses people say about Dalton when he plays bad. So it's ok to say those are the reasons Dalton does bad when he doesn't do well?

    Yet with Kap when the talent on offense around him went away, when his Head Coach left, when the defense got old. None of those could be reasons why he played bad, it's just he is bad. Yet with Dalton it's let's make every excuse in the book?

    It's very simple both Dalton started off their careers in good situations. Both had top 10 defenses, both had talent on offense. Actually Dalton had more talent around him. Both do a good but not great job at making the playoffs. Dalton on the one hand sucks though in the playoffs with that talent around him. While Kap leads his team to 30 points a game in the playoffs and 7 yards away from a super bowl.

    Now all the stuff around Kap changed a lot quicker after that. His head coach left, zero talent on offense around him. While Dalton still had a top 10 defense, a top 5 wr and a top 5 te. So yeah if you want to ignore the big advantages Dalton had be my guest. We already seen how bad Dalton looks without Green, and now with a not so good line. Just imagine how bad Dalton would have looked playing the last few years with the 49ers. Probably would habe looked bad like Kap because just like Kap he wouldn't have had anything around him. I don't know how that can be argued considering how bad Dalton looks once any part of the offense around him goes down some.

    Rg3 doesn't have a job because he is bad. Kap doesn't have a job because currently teams would only bring him in as a backup. Which no one wants a back up qb to be making national headlines, not to mention the backlash that team would get. That is why he is not on a roster. But hey if you want to think that is a bad analysis of football go right ahead. Wouldn't be the first time someone thinks that, but at the end of the day that is still just your opinion not a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    So wait when people make every excuse in the world for Dalton when he plays bad, it's a legit excuse. He doesn't have enough weapons when Green is hurt, then its he doesn't have a run game, then its he doesn't have a line, or the offensive coordinator isn't good. Those all are legit excuses people say about Dalton when he plays bad. So it's ok to say those are the reasons Dalton does bad when he doesn't do well?

    Yet with Kap when the talent on offense around him went away, when his Head Coach left, when the defense got old. None of those could be reasons why he played bad, it's just he is bad. Yet with Dalton it's let's make every excuse in the book?

    It's very simple both Dalton started off their careers in good situations. Both had top 10 defenses, both had talent on offense. Actually Dalton had more talent around him. Both do a good but not great job at making the playoffs. Dalton on the one hand sucks though in the playoffs with that talent around him. While Kap leads his team to 30 points a game in the playoffs and 7 yards away from a super bowl.

    Now all the stuff around Kap changed a lot quicker after that. His head coach left, zero talent on offense around him. While Dalton still had a top 10 defense, a top 5 wr and a top 5 te. So yeah if you want to ignore the big advantages Dalton had be my guest. We already seen how bad Dalton looks without Green, and now with a not so good line. Just imagine how bad Dalton would have looked playing the last few years with the 49ers. Probably would habe looked bad like Kap because just like Kap he wouldn't have had anything around him. I don't know how that can be argued considering how bad Dalton looks once any part of the offense around him goes down some.

    Rg3 doesn't have a job because he is bad. Kap doesn't have a job because currently teams would only bring him in as a backup. Which no one wants a back up qb to be making national headlines, not to mention the backlash that team would get. That is why he is not on a roster. But hey if you want to think that is a bad analysis of football go right ahead. Wouldn't be the first time someone thinks that, but at the end of the day that is still just your opinion not a fact.
    I don't read stories what I will say is I'm not a Dalton fan haven't been from the start and I've never commented on one of your posts but pretty sure you have been a Dalton defender in the past. I want AJ to get a shot. What I do know is Kap is not a long term answer to the Bengals success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    I don't read stories what I will say is I'm not a Dalton fan haven't been from the start and I've never commented on one of your posts but pretty sure you have been a Dalton defender in the past. I want AJ to get a shot. What I do know is Kap is not a long term answer to the Bengals success.
    I haven't been a Dalton defender since 2014. In fact I been far from a Dalton defender over the last few years. I been on the let McCarron start train the last few years. Before the draft I wanted the Bengals to trade Dalton since they probably could have got a 1st round pick for him. I wanted McCarron to be the starter and then get Kap as the backup just in case McCarron didn't do as well as I think he would have.

    I never once said Kap was the answer. I was commenting on the fact when people say he is not in the NFL because of his play. That is simply not true. His stance he took, the kneeling and all the attention he would bring and backlash is the reason why he isn't at least a backup in the NFL. Then you chime in on that with your personal attack by using my name on here and saying what you said.

    My stance on Dalton has been very clear. Dalton has been more fortunate than most in terms of what he has had around him. So when people say well he wins. My point is a lot of qbs would have to. He has had a top 10 defense most of his career. A top 5 running game in 2014. A top 5 wr and a top 5 te. A lot of qbs including Kap imo could have done whay he did in beating all the bad and average nfl teams to make the playoffs. Only difference is maybe someone else could have performed better once in those big playoff games. Which Kap even showed with talent around him, he could step up more than Dalton ever has in those moments. So it's not me saying Kap is the answer. It's me saying a lot of qbs possibly would have done more than Dalton. I been pretty clear on that stance the last few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    I haven't been a Dalton defender since 2014. In fact I been far from a Dalton defender over the last few years. I been on the let McCarron start train the last few years. Before the draft I wanted the Bengals to trade Dalton since they probably could have got a 1st round pick for him. I wanted McCarron to be the starter and then get Kap as the backup just in case McCarron didn't do as well as I think he would have.

    I never once said Kap was the answer. I was commenting on the fact when people say he is not in the NFL because of his play. That is simply not true. His stance he took, the kneeling and all the attention he would bring and backlash is the reason why he isn't at least a backup in the NFL. Then you chime in on that with your personal attack by using my name on here and saying what you said.

    My stance on Dalton has been very clear. Dalton has been more fortunate than most in terms of what he has had around him. So when people say well he wins. My point is a lot of qbs would have to. He has had a top 10 defense most of his career. A top 5 running game in 2014. A top 5 wr and a top 5 te. A lot of qbs including Kap imo could have done whay he did in beating all the bad and average nfl teams to make the playoffs. Only difference is maybe someone else could have performed better once in those big playoff games. Which Kap even showed with talent around him, he could step up more than Dalton ever has in those moments. So it's not me saying Kap is the answer. It's me saying a lot of qbs possibly would have done more than Dalton. I been pretty clear on that stance the last few years.
    So, you think if this was Cam Newton that did this, he wouldn't be in the NFL right now? If Kap was a great qb, he would be in the NFL. Because he is not very good and coupled with his actions, he is not signed. If he didn't take a knee, he would probably be a backup somewhere if he agreed to paycut. He is not good enough to overcome the media circus that comes with it. So I think his play is the reason he is not in the NFL because if he was decent QB, a team would take that chance on him. There are a dozen guys taking a knee in the NFL right now and they are still on the team because they are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleluck55 View Post
    So, you think if this was Cam Newton that did this, he wouldn't be in the NFL right now? If Kap was a great qb, he would be in the NFL. Because he is not very good and coupled with his actions, he is not signed. If he didn't take a knee, he would probably be a backup somewhere if he agreed to paycut. He is not good enough to overcome the media circus that comes with it. So I think his play is the reason he is not in the NFL because if he was decent QB, a team would take that chance on him. There are a dozen guys taking a knee in the NFL right now and they are still on the team because they are good.
    Cam Newton most definitely still would be on a roster and starter. I very clearly said in what you highlighted he is not at least a backup right now due to his kneeling, national attention it would get and backlash from fans. Someone said he is not even on a roster because he is not good. That is not true. He is not on a roster simply because of the other stuff, not his play.

    When it comes to the Bengals my stance has been quite clear. I believe many qbs could have done as well as Dalton has here with what he has had around him in his career. So yes I do think Kap could have done as good too, and he already shown that when he did have talent around him. Both Dalton and he had success when they had a lot around them. Difference is Kap did more with it in big games.

    As bad as Dalton looks anytime we are weak in a certain area on offense. Just imagine how bad he would have looked the last few years with the 49ers. He would look like nothing more than a backup too. Now he would have got a job as a backup because he wouldn't bring all the national attention as a backup. Which is why Kap is not in the NFL as least as a backup. His play is not why he is not in the NFL at least as a backup. The other stuff is the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAC View Post
    Daltons numbers for his first years are among the best in league history. Yes I know he has not won a playoff game. I'd take him and not want to take a chance with Kap's leadership ability. Give the man time to throw and he will be fine.
    It’s been 2 bad games this is silly. It’s not even an argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAC View Post
    Daltons numbers for his first years are among the best in league history. Yes I know he has not won a playoff game. I'd take him and not want to take a chance with Kap's leadership ability. Give the man time to throw and he will be fine.
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    Colin Kaepernick: Career Stats at NFL.com

    Andy Dalton: Career Stats at NFL.com

    Trent Dilfer: Career Stats at NFL.com

    just in case anyone wants to actually look at the stats of the 3 QB's being mentioned.
    With a clean pocket and no pressure Dalton ranks last in the NFL out of all qbs this year when he does have time to throw. The misconception that it's only because of the line is just that a misconception. Dalton has been horrible this year even without pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    With a clean pocket and no pressure Dalton ranks last in the NFL out of all qbs this year when he does have time to throw. The misconception that it's only because of the line is just that a misconception. Dalton has been horrible this year even without pressure.
    If he ranks poorly with no pressure he must rank really good under pressure?

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    Now that the league has condoned the kneeling protests of the anthem, the political barrier is removed from signing Kap. If he is not signed now, it is purely based upon an evaluation of skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer.Pride View Post
    Now that the league has condoned the kneeling protests of the anthem, the political barrier is removed from signing Kap. If he is not signed now, it is purely based upon an evaluation of skill.
    No it's not. Look at the stories today in the headlines. They even state how Kap even while not playing has made his presence felt. He started it all. The national attention would still be all on him, request for interviews, etc. No one would want all the attention for a guy who is their backup qb. The publicity he would bring hasn't gone away. So unless a team views him as a starter. It's not worth the hassle of him being on the team as a backup in a teams opinion. He brings national attention to a backup spot that people don't want national attention for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    No it's not. Look at the stories today in the headlines. They even state how Kap even while not playing has made his presence felt. He started it all. The national attention would still be all on him, request for interviews, etc. No one would want all the attention for a guy who is their backup qb. The publicity he would bring hasn't gone away. So unless a team views him as a starter. It's not worth the hassle of him being on the team as a backup in a teams opinion. He brings national attention to a backup spot that people don't want national attention for.
    I don't have to look at the head lines to know that the league has condoned the player protests (other that Jerry Jones). The league has taken NO ACTION on this issue. That is implicit approval!

    Just like in coaching, you coach it, or you allow it. the NFL is allowing it!

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