Deflategate findings released

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    Deflategate findings released

    Can't post link from phone but basically says Patriots knowingly broke the rules and very probable that Tom Brady was aware that it was going on.
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    It specifically states that the Patriots front-office, management, and coaches were not aware of it. Not sure how you get "Patriots knowingly broke the rules" from that?

    "We do not believe there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots ownership, Belichick or other Pats coaches"....

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    So Brady has deflated balls, so what.

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    What exactly does "more probable than not that Brady had a general knowledge" mean?

    To me, that sounds a whole lot like, we can't directly connect Brady to the deflation, but that it only makes sense that he knew about it. Which, roughly translates to no discipline.

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    Brady wouldnt turn his phone over to the investigator. Im sure he knew and knows of the deflating. He should be suspended for the year.
    The 243-page report vindicated the upper echelon of the organization, but not quarterback Tom Brady, who declined to hand over his phone to Wells, according to the report.

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    Not enough to put an asterisk on the season, but more fuel for the fire of those who believe that the Patriots continue to sidestep the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    It specifically states that the Patriots front-office, management, and coaches were not aware of it. Not sure how you get "Patriots knowingly broke the rules" from that?

    "We do not believe there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots ownership, Belichick or other Pats coaches"....
    That was the headline on the news... I don't editorialize, just posted what asks being reported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpapa View Post
    Not enough to put an asterisk on the season, but more fuel for the fire of those who believe that the Patriots continue to sidestep the rules.
    Sidestep, ignore, blow off, run over..... Whatever you want to call it.

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    @BillSimmons:"I just read the "More probable than not" Report... So, it took four solid months to figure out that nobody knows what happened?"

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    Seems like its clear the coach wasn't in the know...but text between others two guys makes it sound like Brady was often complaining about inflation of balls. I guess we can read that in the report.

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    From PFT:

    Of all the elements of the Ted Wells report which cast Patriots quarterback Tom Brady in a poor light, a series of text message exchanges between the pair of guys who got game balls where they needed to be and when are near the top of the list.

    The messages, not all of which are able to be reprinted here on a family website, give a pretty strong suggestion that not only was Brady in on the deflation, but that he was signing autographs in exchange for special treatment.

    The messages between Jim McNally [the officials locker room attendant] and John Jastremski [a Patriots equipment assistant] show a level of detail and planning that indicates this wasn’t a random, or one-time occurrence.

    The first exchange was after an Oct. 17, 2014 game against the Jets when Brady complained about the pressure of the balls.

    Jastremski wrote “Tom sucks. im going make that next ball a f—in balloon.”

    McNally replied: “Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done…”

    McNally, apparently not a fan of Brady’s (or at least his level of attention of air pressure) made several references to pumping the balls up to “watermleon” or “rugby” size, since Brady preferred softer ones for better control.

    Prior to the next game, McNally wrote: “The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating.”

    There was then a discussion of McNally receiving free shoes and gear, and prior to the Jan. 10 game against the Ravens, the two of them were in the equipment room with Brady when McNally “received two footballs autographed by Brady and also had Brady autograph a game-worn Patriots jersey that McNally previously had obtained.”

    McNally later referred to himself as “the deflator,” and chided Jastreemski by saying “im not going to espn……..yet.”

    Those exchanges make it hard to imagine Brady had no knowledge of what’s going on, which he’ll need to answer for later.

    Text messages suggest Tom Brady had knowledge of deflating | ProFootballTalk

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    Interesting that Brady, according to reports, wouldn't give up his phone; even with his lawyer screening the messages. Makes one wonder what he didn't want his lawyer to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpapa View Post
    Interesting that Brady, according to reports, wouldn't give up his phone; even with his lawyer screening the messages. Makes one wonder what he didn't want his lawyer to see.
    I have mixed feelings on this.

    I would think without doubt any mention/connection to deflategate would have been scrubbed from his phone which means it probably would have been of little value. However, I am sure he has personal data on the phone that he doesn't want being shared with the world and once a third party copies all of that information there is a chance all that information could be shared with the world.

    An easier route would be giving all the suspects a polygraph. We would get to the truth in a matter of days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    It specifically states that the Patriots front-office, management, and coaches were not aware of it. Not sure how you get "Patriots knowingly broke the rules" from that?

    "We do not believe there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots ownership, Belichick or other Pats coaches"....
    Funny you left out the most important part and that is that Brady did know about it and was involved.

    Here is a link to a story on the report

    Wells Report -- Patriots, Tom Brady Cheated ... In Deflategate | TMZ.com

    "The report says ... when people began to get suspicious about the balls, the locker room guys began communicating with Brady by phone and text messages with "significantly increased frequency."
    Investigators also say the men who deflated the footballs "received valuable items autographed by Tom Brady the week before the AFC Champsionship game."

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpapa View Post
    Interesting that Brady, according to reports, wouldn't give up his phone; even with his lawyer screening the messages. Makes one wonder what he didn't want his lawyer to see.
    Apparently it was the texts and calls from the locker room guys who were letting him know they were on to them. Apparently the investigator was able to get the phone records anyway.

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