Browns To Name Kitchens as New Head Coach

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    Williams needs to be the DC for the Steelers. Browns shoyld have hired Williams and kept Kitchens as the OC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocre Nachos View Post
    I disagree. Have you seen the Browns' offense since Kitchens took over? I'm sure the development of Baker Mayfield was strongly taken into account during the coaching search. This may not be a sexy hire for the Browns but I think it's the right one.
    I think the success of the Browns had as much to do with Baker simply getting his feet under him as it did Kitchens playcalling. No doubt it made a difference, but Kitchens was a running backs coach 3 months ago. I donít think this was the best decision the Browns could have made. They obviously made the move to keep Baker happy. But despite how good Baker appears to be I donít agree with making a head coaching decision based on keeping your rookie QB happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantNKY View Post
    I think the success of the Browns had as much to do with Baker simply getting his feet under him as it did Kitchens playcalling. No doubt it made a difference, but Kitchens was a running backs coach 3 months ago. I don’t think this was the best decision the Browns could have made. They obviously made the move to keep Baker happy. But despite how good Baker appears to be I don’t agree with making a head coaching decision based on keeping your rookie QB happy.
    I'll bet Dorsey doesn't either. He made this decision based on more than keeping Mayfield happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantNKY View Post
    I think the success of the Browns had as much to do with Baker simply getting his feet under him as it did Kitchens playcalling. No doubt it made a difference, but Kitchens was a running backs coach 3 months ago. I don’t think this was the best decision the Browns could have made. They obviously made the move to keep Baker happy. But despite how good Baker appears to be I don’t agree with making a head coaching decision based on keeping your rookie QB happy.
    I think a lot of the success was due to the schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldgrappler View Post
    I'll bet Dorsey doesn't either. He made this decision based on more than keeping Mayfield happy.
    I don’t buy it. There is nothing that points to Kitchens being the guy besides his relationship with Mayfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    I think a lot of the success was due to the schedule.
    There are multiple factors at play here. There is no denying Baker improved when Kitchens took over. But that’s just sort of what rookies do, they get better as the season progresses. The schedule definitely played a role as well. Bottom line: the Browns success wasn’t wrapped up in the promotion of Kitchens to OC when they let Hue and Haley go.

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    The more I think about it, the more this move makes less and less sense. Kitchens has 11 games under his belt as a playcaller. You don’t even have an entire offseason for teams to truly catch on to what Kitchens tendencies are and how exactly he wants to exploit defenses. The Browns are likely the favorite to win the AFC North next year. AB and Bell are gone, Ben is aging, Baltimore should be good again but as promising as Lamar was, he’s going to have to improve from the pocket. The Bengals who really knows. The AFC North belongs to the Browns next year but I don’t believe they hired the guy who gives them the best chance to accomplish that task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantNKY View Post
    Such a lazy hire from the Browns. This makes zero sense IMO.
    Smart hire. Baker and Kitchens clicked all they needs is another play maker on offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CollegefootballGuy69 View Post
    Williams needs to be the DC for the Steelers. Browns shoyld have hired Williams and kept Kitchens as the OC.
    Quote Originally Posted by CollegefootballGuy69 View Post
    Smart hire. Baker and Kitchens clicked all they needs is another play maker on offense.
    These two posts seem to be in direct opposite opinion of each other.

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    While most of us hadn't heard Kitchens' name before he came to Cleveland, he has been coaching in the NFL since 2006. Here's a quick summary of his resume':

    1. Played QB for 3 years at Alabama under Gene Stallings.

    2. A graduate assistant under Nick Saban at LSU.

    3. 2001-03 RBs coach at North Texas.

    4. 2004-05 TE and RBs coach at Mississippi State.

    5. 2006 TE Coach for the Cowboys under Bill Parcells. Also on staff at that time were Todd Bowles, Todd Haley, Anthony Lynn, Chris Palmer, Tony Sparano, and Mike Zimmer, all of whom became or already had experience as a HC in the NFL.

    6. 2007-12 TE Coach for the Cardinals under Ken Whisenhunt and with Todd Haley again.

    7. 2103-17 QB coach with Cardinals. Whisenhunt was fired and Bruce Arians was hired. Arians moved Kitchens to QB coach. Kitchens coached Carson Palmer who came to the Cards after a bit of a rough time at Oakland. Palmer had some fantastic seasons with Kitchens including a Pro Bowl appearance in 2015--4671 yards passing and 35 TDs. After a .500 season in 2016, the coaching staff was shuffled and Kitchens became RBs coach for 2017.

    8. 2018 Rbs coach and Associate Head Coach with the Browns. He rejoined Todd Haley on staff again and then succeeded him as OC when Haley was fired.

    This is according to an article on Cleveland.com by Tim Bielik: Freddie Kitchens: A career timeline of the Browns’ new head coach | cleveland.com

    This means that Kitchens is inexperienced as far as play calling goes, though he has a real feel for it. But he had never been a coordinator until the 8th game of the season.

    But Kitchens does have a lot of NFL experience under some of the best coaching minds in the league, especially on the offensive side of the ball. He is young (age 44) and innovative. Mayfield's production jumped under Kitchens. He put in plays and formations that enabled Mayfield to get the ball out of his hands very quickly.

    So it isn't like Dorsey promoted a guy after a half season of good work. He has a solid resume' and comes highly recommended by people like Bruce Arians.

    Whether he can do the job, we will have to see. About a week ago, during the Browns HC search, Kitchens was asked if he was ready to be a Head Coach. He replied, "I mean, who the ****'s ready to be a head coach?" he went on to say that he wanted to be a head coach and he'd really like to do that in Cleveland. His point is that no one knows until they get hired to be 1 out of the 32 available jobs in the NFL. That's a small and select group of people.

    I think it is simply wrong to imply that Dorsey was lazy in his selection or that Cleveland was only trying to keep a rookie QB happy or they didn't do their home work. That is all incorrect. Sure, they liked the chemistry between Kitchens and Mayfield, but they aren't trying to keep Mayfield "happy." They are looking for a guy that can help him be productive. There is a difference. Kitchens is that guy.

    He will, of course, hire an OC. Will he continue to call plays, who knows? But he will shape the offensive philosophy that was so good at bringing out the best in Mayfield.

    He will hire a DC and I hope he brings in a new Special Teams Coach. The current guy hasn't done the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CollegefootballGuy69 View Post
    Smart hire. Baker and Kitchens clicked all they needs is another play maker on offense.
    Newsflash, Baker is really good and is going to play well regardless of the hire. They need someone who knows how to run a team and Kitchens is not that. He may become that, but it’s a stupid risk to take when you have a team like the Browns poised to win the division next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldgrappler View Post
    While most of us hadn't heard Kitchens' name before he came to Cleveland, he has been coaching in the NFL since 2006. Here's a quick summary of his resume':

    1. Played QB for 3 years at Alabama under Gene Stallings.

    2. A graduate assistant under Nick Saban at LSU.

    3. 2001-03 RBs coach at North Texas.

    4. 2004-05 TE and RBs coach at Mississippi State.

    5. 2006 TE Coach for the Cowboys under Bill Parcells. Also on staff at that time were Todd Bowles, Todd Haley, Anthony Lynn, Chris Palmer, Tony Sparano, and Mike Zimmer, all of whom became or already had experience as a HC in the NFL.

    6. 2007-12 TE Coach for the Cardinals under Ken Whisenhunt and with Todd Haley again.

    7. 2103-17 QB coach with Cardinals. Whisenhunt was fired and Bruce Arians was hired. Arians moved Kitchens to QB coach. Kitchens coached Carson Palmer who came to the Cards after a bit of a rough time at Oakland. Palmer had some fantastic seasons with Kitchens including a Pro Bowl appearance in 2015--4671 yards passing and 35 TDs. After a .500 season in 2016, the coaching staff was shuffled and Kitchens became RBs coach for 2017.

    8. 2018 Rbs coach and Associate Head Coach with the Browns. He rejoined Todd Haley on staff again and then succeeded him as OC when Haley was fired.

    This is according to an article on Cleveland.com by Tim Bielik: Freddie Kitchens: A career timeline of the Browns’ new head coach | cleveland.com

    This means that Kitchens is inexperienced as far as play calling goes, though he has a real feel for it. But he had never been a coordinator until the 8th game of the season.

    But Kitchens does have a lot of NFL experience under some of the best coaching minds in the league, especially on the offensive side of the ball. He is young (age 44) and innovative. Mayfield's production jumped under Kitchens. He put in plays and formations that enabled Mayfield to get the ball out of his hands very quickly.

    So it isn't like Dorsey promoted a guy after a half season of good work. He has a solid resume' and comes highly recommended by people like Bruce Arians.

    Whether he can do the job, we will have to see. About a week ago, during the Browns HC search, Kitchens was asked if he was ready to be a Head Coach. He replied, "I mean, who the ****'s ready to be a head coach?" he went on to say that he wanted to be a head coach and he'd really like to do that in Cleveland. His point is that no one knows until they get hired to be 1 out of the 32 available jobs in the NFL. That's a small and select group of people.

    I think it is simply wrong to imply that Dorsey was lazy in his selection or that Cleveland was only trying to keep a rookie QB happy or they didn't do their home work. That is all incorrect. Sure, they liked the chemistry between Kitchens and Mayfield, but they aren't trying to keep Mayfield "happy." They are looking for a guy that can help him be productive. There is a difference. Kitchens is that guy.

    He will, of course, hire an OC. Will he continue to call plays, who knows? But he will shape the offensive philosophy that was so good at bringing out the best in Mayfield.

    He will hire a DC and I hope he brings in a new Special Teams Coach. The current guy hasn't done the job.
    There are a gazillion dudes in the league who have similar resumes to Kitchens and they aren’t sniffing head coaching jobs. The hire was definitely to appease Baker, no doubt about it. Nothing about Kitchens says head coach, not yet.

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    What about continuity? If the Browns hired a different coach but were able to retain Kitchens as the offensive coordinator - and the offense continued to improve next year, you'd certainly lose him to another team because he'd be a HC candidate. This makes total sense for me because Baker loved Freddie and grew with him. Now you can keep that stability in place during Mayfield's most formidable years learning how to be a pro.

    Was Kitchens on anyone's radar for a HC position 3 months ago? Absolutely not. But the natural offensive progression the Browns made over the last half of the season was apparent. Just because this isn't a sexy hire doesn't mean it's the wrong hire. I have no clue how Kitchens will do as a head coach but I think he earned the right to be named coach.

    If the Browns announced that Kliff Kingsbury was their new head coach, I'd be 10 times more worried than I am about this move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocre Nachos View Post
    What about continuity? If the Browns hired a different coach but were able to retain Kitchens as the offensive coordinator - and the offense continued to improve next year, you'd certainly lose him to another team because he'd be a HC candidate. This makes total sense for me because Baker loved Freddie and grew with him. Now you can keep that stability in place during Mayfield's most formidable years learning how to be a pro.

    Was Kitchens on anyone's radar for a HC position 3 months ago? Absolutely not. But the natural offensive progression the Browns made over the last half of the season was apparent. Just because this isn't a sexy hire doesn't mean it's the wrong hire. I have no clue how Kitchens will do as a head coach but I think he earned the right to be named coach.

    If the Browns announced that Kliff Kingsbury was their new head coach, I'd be 10 times more worried than I am about this move.
    You sound like Mike Brown here. It's all about continuity. Well we finished the season strong, so that shows this guy may be the guy. That's what led to Bruce Coslet being the Bengal's Head Coach, and then Dick Lebeau. They became the head coach because the Bengals finished seasons strong, when they took over in the middle of seasons. So the Bengals wanted to keep the positive momentum they believed they had and keeping with continuity. We all know how that worked out lol.

    Right now is probably the most desirable the Browns may ever be. They have a young franchise QB, nice young talent on the roster, draft picks and a crap load of money to spend with the salary cap. A lot of that won't be the same 2 or 3 years from now, if Kitchens doesn't work out.

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    Living in Cleveland I know the fans love this hire. But I think they will regret letting William's walk.

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