Andy Dalton is getting benched.

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    Dalton vs Palmer. Yes, I take Palmer but Palmer also was a choke artist in the post season and prime time. Palmer won just 1 playoff game in his career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Dalton vs Palmer. Yes, I take Palmer but Palmer also was a choke artist in the post season and prime time. Palmer won just 1 playoff game in his career.
    People will argue that he would have won in '05, which is true, but he lost with some very talented teams in Arizona too.

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    I think I heard George Vogel from channel 5 that he said Dalton was tied with Ken Anderson for the all time Bengal lead for touchdown passes. If that is true, the timing of the benching is brutal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumoroyal View Post
    I think I heard George Vogel from channel 5 that he said Dalton was tied with Ken Anderson for the all time Bengal lead for touchdown passes. If that is true, the timing of the benching is brutal.
    Also considering he threw for 300 yards and a TD, with no picks the game before he was benched. Jacksonville is a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJAlltheWay24 View Post
    Also considering he threw for 300 yards and a TD, with no picks the game before he was benched. Jacksonville is a different story.
    While he played a solid game, especially when you look at the numbers. Things that don't show up in the stats is the sacks he took to take them out of field goal range twice. A sack he took that killed a drive that made them settle for a field goal. A third down play where he rolled out to the right and threw it away right away even though there wasn't really much pressure that close to him yet. Then obviously him doing what we seen a lot in his career of a guy being open deep, and he led the WR out of bounds on it.

    That is what makes Dalton so frustrating. When you look at just QB stats, he has usually had good numbers. When you dig deeper and see his stats against teams wit good records, prime time, playoffs, and then just look at big plays within a game he misses on that really hurts the team. It just leads to make him what he is, which is a starting QB in this league but an average one at that.

    It sucks it was on his birthday, but IMO I am not sure when else people would have wanted Taylor to tell him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    It sucks it was on his birthday, but IMO I am not sure when else people would have wanted Taylor to tell him.
    It's not just that it was his birthday, it was that it was 3 hours before the trade deadline. The more I think about it, the madder I get. We have completely devolved back to the Bengals of the 90's. Professional courtesy got flushed down the toilet. And even the chance to get something in exchange for Dalton's experience went down the toilet with it. We can't even bench a guy the right way.

    And I'm tired of hearing about how/when Dalton took sacks on third down here, or third down there. You know what, when you can't freaking run the ball on first or second down, it's going to put you into a lot of third down situations where the defense knows you're going to pass. Guess when most defenses likely get the majority of their sacks? Heck, Aaron Rodgers got sacked 49 times last year. Guess he was just an average quarterback. People act like Dalton's been in this utopian pocket and that everything that goes wrong is simply because of him. Well, I've got news for you, there's 10 other guys out their on the field that are human too. Each and every one of them have made mistakes. But, that's okay, we'll blame everything on Dalton.

    I hope Ryan Finley has success. I truly do. But, I know exactly what this board is going to look like..."Dalton wouldn't have made that play" there, "Dalton would've been sacked" there, "Dalton would've overthrown this guy" there, and on and on and on. It'll be the same dang story over and over again, and the guy won't have played a single dang down.

    I'll be the first to admit when Dalton has struggled or made a bad decision. But, he has, undeservedly in my opinion, for a lot of people become the punching bag for all that ails the Bengals. Until the offensive line can actually block someone, open some holes for the running back, and until the receivers run the right routes and actually catch the balls that are hitting not only their hands, but sometimes their freaking facemasks, and let's not even get into the defense stopping the run (or the pass, for that matter)...it won't matter if you had Tom Brady back there at quarterback.

    The previous quarterback we had couldn't wait to get out of town. In fact, he'd rather retire than to set foot on the field in a Bengals uniform. I'm beginning to think that our next quarterback is going to be wishing the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CincySportsFan View Post
    It's not just that it was his birthday, it was that it was 3 hours before the trade deadline. The more I think about it, the madder I get. We have completely devolved back to the Bengals of the 90's. Professional courtesy got flushed down the toilet. And even the chance to get something in exchange for Dalton's experience went down the toilet with it. We can't even bench a guy the right way.

    And I'm tired of hearing about how/when Dalton took sacks on third down here, or third down there. You know what, when you can't freaking run the ball on first or second down, it's going to put you into a lot of third down situations where the defense knows you're going to pass. Guess when most defenses likely get the majority of their sacks? Heck, Aaron Rodgers got sacked 49 times last year. Guess he was just an average quarterback. People act like Dalton's been in this utopian pocket and that everything that goes wrong is simply because of him. Well, I've got news for you, there's 10 other guys out their on the field that are human too. Each and every one of them have made mistakes. But, that's okay, we'll blame everything on Dalton.

    I hope Ryan Finley has success. I truly do. But, I know exactly what this board is going to look like..."Dalton wouldn't have made that play" there, "Dalton would've been sacked" there, "Dalton would've overthrown this guy" there, and on and on and on. It'll be the same dang story over and over again, and the guy won't have played a single dang down.

    I'll be the first to admit when Dalton has struggled or made a bad decision. But, he has, undeservedly in my opinion, for a lot of people become the punching bag for all that ails the Bengals. Until the offensive line can actually block someone, open some holes for the running back, and until the receivers run the right routes and actually catch the balls that are hitting not only their hands, but sometimes their freaking facemasks, and let's not even get into the defense stopping the run (or the pass, for that matter)...it won't matter if you had Tom Brady back there at quarterback.

    The previous quarterback we had couldn't wait to get out of town. In fact, he'd rather retire than to set foot on the field in a Bengals uniform. I'm beginning to think that our next quarterback is going to be wishing the same thing.
    I have never once said everything is Daltons fault. I have even said he is not the weak link on this team. What we do know is he was the weak link on the teams when they did have a lot of talent around him. So we have 9 years of data on him showing he is what he is an average starting qb. A qb you won't win it all with even if you surround him with talent.

    They are 0 and 8 and heading for a top 3 draft pick. They drafted a qb in the 4th round this year. So at some point you have to see what you have in that qb, just in case maybe you have a diamond in the rough. Which then could lead to maybe getting some other top player instead.

    As for when is the correct time to bench someone. I would like to know when people think it should have happened? At the end of the day if you are going to make a change the bye week is the perfect time. It gives your new qb two weeks to prepare.

    With that said and a CBS sports reporter made a great point and said this too. I am not sure why people are fussing about how they didn't give him a chance to get traded. The CBS reporter even said what team would have traded for him? There is not many teams who are in the playoff hunt who had their starting qb go out and need help? The only team would have maybe been the Bears, and even then chances of the Bears making that trade was slim. So maybe they could have told him Monday after they got off the plane from London. It really wouldn't have made much of a difference. There would be a great chance he still would be the backup qb here in Cincy after the trade deadline.

    I have said many times Dalton is a great person and role model. He is the type of guy you want to and would wish to do well. However, just because he is a great guy doesn't mean you keep him starting just because he is a good guy.

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    Nice post. Share some of your same beliefs. I wonder if this was Taylor's decision alone or management pulled the plug?

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    Futurecoach where is your guy McCarron when we apparently really need him??

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9068 View Post
    Futurecoach where is your guy McCarron when we apparently really need him??
    He is sitting on the bench being a backup qb like Dalton is currently lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9068 View Post
    Nice post. Share some of your same beliefs. I wonder if this was Taylor's decision alone or management pulled the plug?
    I would say it was Taylor's decision. I doubt management likes paying a guy as much money as they do Dalton to sit on the bench.

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    @futurecoach, I wasn't trying to imply you were the crux of my rant. I apologize if it came off that way. I know we agree more times than not.

    My point was simply that the Bengals threads have become a lot like the Reds threads over the past couple of years. You (meaning me) get on there, and it's Joey Votto this, and Joey Votto that. Rinse and repeat. Every single game. I have no problem having an intelligent conversation with someone about the team (Reds or Bengals). But, one player (on either team) has not been what's holding them back. Yet if you looked at the threads, you'd get an entirely different impression.

    But, back to the Bengals. My criticism of them stems from this...Taylor has seemed to be unable (unwilling?) to adjust his play calling to suit the personnel on the field at the time.
    If we take Dalton to be what you say he is, an average QB...why in the world is he leading the league in pass attempts mid-way through the season? Especially with your #1 wide receiver on the sideline so far, and his replacement (Ross) missing quite a few games as well. So, either Taylor is trying to spin gold from straw, or he's just hard headed in doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    Do you realize that in three games (Buffalo, Baltimore and Jacksonville), Tyler Eifert played 47%, 49% and 47% of the offensive snaps, but was only targeted 1, 2 and 2 times in those games. 5 targets in 90 plays! Heck, after the Rams game I thought for sure he was going to be traded, as it looked like they were featuring him in an audition (9 targets, 6 receptions).

    But, back to this decision...I feel like he knew he was going to make it, a lot longer than he did before it was told to Dalton. My guess is, it was probably on the plane ride back from London. He's hoping the addition of Green back on the field, and the scrambling ability of Finley, will be enough to overcome the shoddy play everywhere else. Maybe he's hoping that will reinstall some confidence in him from the Brown family that he's the right guy for the job. I don't know.

    But, if the Reds had done this...benched a starter (who was a FA after this year) right before the trade deadline, people would be climbing the walls right now. ("Trade him for a bucket of balls, but at least get something for him!") But since it's Dalton, we'll give them the Bengals a pass. And as to who'd trade for him? Who knows? Who cares? But, doing it this way you'll never know because you, in essence, removed that option yourself.

    I'd have felt completely differently if they had done this Monday afternoon. Taylor (if he did this solely on his own) effectively tied the teams hands by doing it when he did it. Again, it doesn't give me much faith in him at this moment.

    Again, I apologize to you futurecoach, if you thought I was targeting you in my previous post. It was not my intention. I just get this overwhelming feeling we are once again rooting for a rudderless organization and a team in chaos. I meant what I said earlier, I have a dreadful feeling we are returning to the 1990's.

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    @CincySportsFan I honestly think the last thing he wanted to do was to bench Dalton, because no one really has any idea how Finley will do. I doubt Taylor wants to go winless his first year as a head coach. So with Finley being an unknown, Dalton probably would provide him the best chance at a win especially with Green coming back. So I think this was the last thing he wanted to do.

    However, I think he also realized that this was the smart thing to do. It really does the franchise no good to run Dalton out there and maybe win 2 or 3 games. When it is pretty obvious they will have a top 3 or 5 pick and drafting a qb. So with this season over, might as well see if you got lucky and have a diamond in the rough in Finley, before using the top pick next year on a QB.

    My guess is he probably did decide sometime on Monday or Monday night once they got back. Which the players would be at home since the plane ride didn't get back to 5 in the morning on Monday. So I am assuming he would rather tell a qb who has started for the last 9 years in person that he is benched instead of over the phone.

    With that said even telling him just a few hours before the trade deadline that is plenty of enough time to work out a trade. Which with the news that he was benched 3 or 4 hours before the trade deadline. Even if the Bengals weren't the ones making calls. You would think if a team wanted him, they would have called asking about him since they knew his career in Cincy was basically over. Which unless I missed it, I haven't heard of anyone reporting about any teams calling about Dalton. Usually you would hear reports come out of Adam Schefter reporting that a unanimous team was interested and called about Dalton before the trade deadline ended. Yet nothing was ever reported. That's why imo the Bengals didn't hurt Daltons chance at getting traded at all. If a team was interested in trading for him, it probably would have happened. Or would have heard a team was interested but the Bengals were idiots again and refused to trade him even though he was now a backup.

    As for the play calling I mentioned it in another thread. I agree with you he has not done a good job matching the personnel he has with the right system. Last week he finally did something different and did more 2 TE sets and the running game finally looked decent and the offense did move the ball even though they didn't produce many points. So I am in agreement with you on the playcalling not being good most of the year.

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    We are kidding ourselves if we think any team would trade for Dalton. I’m confident they tried to trade him. Who wants a high-paid average to below average QB who is not going to take ANY team to the Super Bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter View Post
    We are kidding ourselves if we think any team would trade for Dalton. I’m confident they tried to trade him. Who wants a high-paid average to below average QB who is not going to take ANY team to the Super Bowl.
    There are a lot of teams that have QB's that are not going to the Super Bowl.

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