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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Did the Bengals get a bargain in LaFell? Just asking people to justify their complaints.

    Looking at the stats, LaFell is right there with Marvin Jones and better than Marshall. Jones is getting $8 million a year. Marshall is getting $6 million. LaFell's contract is said to have a lot of incentive pay in it to get to the $10 million ($5 million/year). It is the 25th ranked contract for WR's currently and will probably be even lower after free agency is done. It looks like a good value and perhaps even a bargain price.

    On Cincy Jungle.com, 70% of fans believe this is a good deal for the Bengals.
    Here is my thinking with it. I said after the year I would want him back for the right price and if it doesn't cost the younger players playing time. With that said when Marshall gets a deal for 6 million, it makes you a little upset that we pay Lafell 5. Someone like Marshall would have allowed the Bengals to probably avoid having to use a pick early on a wr, and could draft other things.

    Now for this signing of Lafell to be good, they need to draft a wr in the 1st or 2nd round now. It's all about what the wr brings to the team. Lafell had good stats, and stats wise comparable to Marvin Jones. The difference is teams don't have to worry about Lafell beating them. Marvin Jones this past year averaged 16.9 yards a catch. Lafell was at 13. What Lafell brings to the offense doesn't do much to help them out in other areas. He is a possession receiver, which we already have in a young wr in Boyd.

    At this point I would much rather the Bengals with Cody Core on the outside and Boyd in the slot. I believe Core brings more upside to the offense than Lafell. So if we were going to sign a veteran I would have preferred someone who brought something more to the offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    WR Stats 2016

    LaFell.............64 rec...862 yds... 6 TD...$10M 2 yrs = $5M yr; ? guaranteed
    Marvin Jones...55 rec...930 yds...4 TD...$40M 5 yrs = $8M yr; $20M guaranteed
    Marshall .........59 rec...788 yds...3 TD...$12M 2 yrs = $6M yr; ? guaranteed
    Sanu .............59 rec...653 yds...4 TD...$32.5M 5 yrs =$6.5 yr; $14M guaranteed
    It's all about what a wr brings to the offense. What Lafell brings to the offense is not something that makes the offense better. He is simply another possession wr. While he and Jones has similar total numbers, the yards per catch is a nice gap, and Jones was someone other teams worried about deep. People don't worry about that with Lafell. Which means longer drives. The Bengals offense is not more dynamic with Lafell.

    Plus as mentioned his signing probably means we need to draft a wr early now, and or Lafell coming back means a guy like Cody Core not playing as much. Which Core imo brings more of a dynamic to the offense than Lafell does.

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    Marshall has a TV show in NY. He was staying in that area. Probably took what they offered and was happy without wanting to explore the market much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spindoc View Post
    Marshall has a TV show in NY. He was staying in that area. Probably took what they offered and was happy without wanting to explore the market much.
    Understandable. I just wonder if the Bengals even attempt to reach out to him just in case.

    As for Lafell, if they were going to sign a veteran. I would have preferred Torry Smith, because he brings something to the offense that Lafell doesn't.

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    Bengals have more pressing needs in the draft than a WR. You can have all the WRs in the world and if Dalton is on his back it isn't going to matter. Need OL, LB, DL, DB before WR.

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    And quick who led the Bengals in TD receptions last year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankdracman23 View Post
    Bengals have more pressing needs in the draft than a WR. You can have all the WRs in the world and if Dalton is on his back it isn't going to matter. Need OL, LB, DL, DB before WR.
    Biggest need is OL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Did the Bengals get a bargain in LaFell? Just asking people to justify their complaints.

    Looking at the stats, LaFell is right there with Marvin Jones and better than Marshall. Jones is getting $8 million a year. Marshall is getting $6 million. LaFell's contract is said to have a lot of incentive pay in it to get to the $10 million ($5 million/year). It is the 25th ranked contract for WR's currently and will probably be even lower after free agency is done. It looks like a good value and perhaps even a bargain price.

    On Cincy Jungle.com, 70% of fans believe this is a good deal for the Bengals.
    You are insane if you think Lefell is better than Brandon Marshall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankdracman23 View Post
    And quick who led the Bengals in TD receptions last year?
    And how good were the Bengals last year? *Mic Drop*

    Listen, no team is going to be scheming how to beat Brandon Lafell. They would be scheming how to stop Marshall. The Giants now have probably the best trio of WR's and the Bengals still only have AJ Green. Huge difference.

    Does it really matter how many times a WR on a bad team and someone who never ever needs to be double teamed catches the ball when in the end it doesn't lean to a game changer?

    Look, Blake Bortles had more completions than Andy Dalton, what does that tell you? Does that mean he was better than Andy Dalton? Anyone who thinks Lafell is better than Brandon Marshall needs their heads examined

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    And how good were the Bengals last year? *Mic Drop*

    Listen, no team is going to be scheming how to beat Brandon Lafell. They would be scheming how to stop Marshall. The Giants now have probably the best trio of WR's and the Bengals still only have AJ Green. Huge difference.

    Does it really matter how many times a WR on a bad team and someone who never ever needs to be double teamed catches the ball when in the end it doesn't lean to a game changer?

    Look, Blake Bortles had more completions than Andy Dalton, what does that tell you? Does that mean he was better than Andy Dalton? Anyone who thinks Lafell is better than Brandon Marshall needs their heads examined
    Definitely better than Dalton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    WR Stats 2016

    LaFell.............64 rec...862 yds... 6 TD...$10M 2 yrs = $5M yr; ? guaranteed
    Marvin Jones...55 rec...930 yds...4 TD...$40M 5 yrs = $8M yr; $20M guaranteed
    Marshall .........59 rec...788 yds...3 TD...$12M 2 yrs = $6M yr; ? guaranteed
    Sanu .............59 rec...653 yds...4 TD...$32.5M 5 yrs =$6.5 yr; $14M guaranteed
    I don't feel like looking it up, but I believe that 2016 was very much a fluke year for Marshall. And the QB play was pretty atrocious for the Jets. Granted he's getting older.

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    Bengals did not overpay for LaFell. Pierre Garcon got $15M+. Robert Woods is getting just shy of $8M a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJAlltheWay24 View Post
    I don't feel like looking it up, but I believe that 2016 was very much a fluke year for Marshall. And the QB play was pretty atrocious for the Jets. Granted he's getting older.
    Yes, last year was a significant drop off for Marshall. The prior-year I believe was one of his best ever with over 100 catches and I believe over 1,500 yards. Marshall also is 32 so a drop off like that raises concerns

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    Also, for the record, Marshall stated that of all the teams he had been in contact with, the Giants offered him less than everyone else $ wise. He said he wanted to go there because they're championship caliber and winning a ring was his only factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HammerTime View Post
    Marshall is a head case.
    Jets loved him and he's said all the right things so far with the Giants. I think he has a bad rep because of his past but what has he done lately to be labeled a head case?

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