Is NKYFL Disbanding Their Senior Division?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonels_Wear_Blue View Post
    Are the rest of the middle school programs around the state just on their own when it comes to scheduling and which teams they play? Who organizes things elsewhere outside of northern Kentucky? Are there conferences or districts? Are there other areas of the state that have localized leagues? I don't know much about middle school football aside from the portion that I know about middle school football in northern Kentucky.


    As for Cov Cath's football, they were struggling to find what they thought was a consistently challenging schedule year to year. They had started adding in occasional games against teams in Cincinnati's Greater Catholic Youth League and then were eventually invited by the GCYL to become a full member of their league, and they did so. With things moving and changing around northern Kentucky middle school football landscape like they have over the last 6 or 7 years, I think Cov Cath is happy keeping their Colonel Youth Football teams in the comparatively stable and consistent Greater Catholic Youth League.
    We have already reached out to CCH about potentially playing in the future. The addition of Lex Cath and the Birds have made the conference very strong. I would think there has to be a little bit of curiosity on CCH's part to hook up with Highlands and some of the other bigger schools. Would be fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBS5 View Post
    Sorry, this is a double post but did not attach the first time.

    Not true at all. All of Union Raider kids are Ryle kids. Period. The Norseman Conference is 100% a football conference and all of the kids that are feeding these teams are being fed to their high schools and are based on school districts. We have approached the Kenton County schools numerous times about playing non conference games but they will not play any of us because they say that "the teams in our conference are select" but that is not true. They will not even go to the table to discuss even though they have "open enrollment" and Boone Co does not. Very hypocritical since they let CCH 7th join and New Cath join in the past. Their loss now. They are certainly not providing the best opportunities or competition for their kids. In retrospect, we are glad not to be tied to the middle schools for many reasons that I cannot describe in a post. Just for the record we have reached out to Cov Cath about exploring some game action or conference affiliation.
    Has nothing to do with Kenton County Schools, as they don't run the NKMSAA. And to clarify again, when the Union Raiders were first formed, they did allow kids from outside of Ryle's district to play, which was the sticking point on allowing them in the league. As I previously mentioned, I have no idea if that's true or not now, and apparently it is not. To my knowledge, the Raiders haven't tried getting into the league now for at least a few years. As far as Co Cath and New Cath's participation, yes they did have kids from multiple schools. But they were all attending one of the private schools that directly feed Cov Cath/New Cath, none of which were big enough to support their own team.

    Regardless, it's too bad the NKMSAA and the Boone County teams couldn't come together. Either way, the league is doing well, and provides solid opportunities for the schools that are involved, and has helped fuel improvement at the HS level for many of the teams (Scott, Brossart, Ludlow to name a few.) And the Norsemen league looks like it is doing well too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    Has nothing to do with Kenton County Schools, as they don't run the NKMSAA. And to clarify again, when the Union Raiders were first formed, they did allow kids from outside of Ryle's district to play, which was the sticking point on allowing them in the league. As I previously mentioned, I have no idea if that's true or not now, and apparently it is not. To my knowledge, the Raiders haven't tried getting into the league now for at least a few years. As far as Co Cath and New Cath's participation, yes they did have kids from multiple schools. But they were all attending one of the private schools that directly feed Cov Cath/New Cath, none of which were big enough to support their own team.

    Regardless, it's too bad the NKMSAA and the Boone County teams couldn't come together. Either way, the league is doing well, and provides solid opportunities for the schools that are involved, and has helped fuel improvement at the HS level for many of the teams (Scott, Brossart, Ludlow to name a few.) And the Norsemen league looks like it is doing well too.
    It is absolutely not true that kids outside of Ryle district are playing for the Union Raiders and have not been for quite some time. The Norseman Conference was founded to align kids with their schools and we are all certified by the state now. The Raiders did look into joining up with the NKMSAA or at least playing non conference as early as last season before our Norseman was started but they still will not go to the table. I know this because I am the one that requested a meeting and they denied me even though we are 100% aligned to Ryle. In hindsight it did work out because we do not have any interest in being in the NKMSAA. Our competition level is better and we venture outside of the conference around the tri state and have built some pretty good relationships with some teams throughout Ky as well as Ohio, and Indiana. In addition our conference is a football conference only and we do not have to deal with a lot of the red tape that some may have to deal with. I am very happy for the teams in the NKMSAA if they are getting the opportunities that they are looking for. It does appear that the league allows for good competition for the smaller schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBS5 View Post
    It is absolutely not true that kids outside of Ryle district are playing for the Union Raiders and have not been for quite some time. The Norseman Conference was founded to align kids with their schools and we are all certified by the state now. The Raiders did look into joining up with the NKMSAA or at least playing non conference as early as last season before our Norseman was started but they still will not go to the table. I know this because I am the one that requested a meeting and they denied me even though we are 100% aligned to Ryle. In hindsight it did work out because we do not have any interest in being in the NKMSAA. Our competition level is better and we venture outside of the conference around the tri state and have built some pretty good relationships with some teams throughout Ky as well as Ohio, and Indiana. In addition our conference is a football conference only and we do not have to deal with a lot of the red tape that some may have to deal with. I am very happy for the teams in the NKMSAA if they are getting the opportunities that they are looking for. It does appear that the league allows for good competition for the smaller schools.
    I think we are in agreement. I wasn’t claiming that Ryle was currently accepting out of area kids. I only know that that was the case in the very beginning of the program. I’m glad to see everything is working out and everyone’s football needs are being met.

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    Saw that Coach Lickert sent out notice that New Cath is going to be fielding a middle school team this year. They will be deciding on the league they compete in based on enrollment.

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    With the Red Devils not fielding a senior team I think it is perfect timing for NCC to revamp their MS program. With everyone going to MS leagues in NKY this year it leaves a lot of future Breds that in private middle schools without another place to go. I wish the NCC program luck!

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    Apparently Coach Lickert has already made contact with the Norseman League to start getting whatever he needs to in line to become a member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonels_Wear_Blue View Post
    Apparently Coach Lickert has already made contact with the Norseman League to start getting whatever he needs to in line to become a member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonels_Wear_Blue View Post
    Apparently Coach Lickert has already made contact with the Norseman League to start getting whatever he needs to in line to become a member.
    Earned a thumbs down from @JoeTuck33 ...any reason in particular, or just hoping to see the Breds competing in one of the other leagues around NKY?

    For what it's worth, I've got no dog in the fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonels_Wear_Blue View Post
    Earned a thumbs down from @JoeTuck33 ...any reason in particular, or just hoping to see the Breds competing in one of the other leagues around NKY?

    For what it's worth, I've got no dog in the fight.
    He doesnt like popcorn either.

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    No ill will towards popcorn. 😁 I just donít think they will wind up in the Norseman conference, I donít think itís a great fit for them as a program.

    New Cath will need to build the MS back up and will probably start that with lower numbers Iíd say 20ís or so. Those schools in the Norseman conference are all 5-6A schools with much higher numbers. They will also have both 7th & 8th grade teams for each school which I doubt NCC will be able to provide.

    On top of that the Norsemen conference is probably going to allow Highlands the rights to have players from both St Thomas and St Catherine which is in direct competition to NCC trying to rebuild their program.

    In the end I just think the NKMSSA would be a better fit. With 3 divisions of teams , and more teams in their weight class with while they rebuild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTuck33 View Post
    No ill will towards popcorn.  I just don’t think they will wind up in the Norseman conference, I don’t think it’s a great fit for them as a program.

    New Cath will need to build the MS back up and will probably start that with lower numbers I’d say 20’s or so. Those schools in the Norseman conference are all 5-6A schools with much higher numbers. They will also have both 7th & 8th grade teams for each school which I doubt NCC will be able to provide.

    On top of that the Norsemen conference is probably going to allow Highlands the rights to have players from both St Thomas and St Catherine which is in direct competition to NCC trying to rebuild their program.

    In the end I just think the NKMSSA would be a better fit. With 3 divisions of teams , and more teams in their weight class with while they rebuild.
    Thanks for the explanation, JT33.

    As far as New Cath competing in the NKMSSA, I'm just going back and thinking...from the sounds of things the high schools in Boone County were running into issues competing in that league because they were allowing students on their teams from outside the school's district. I know Cov Cath & New Cath both used to compete in the NKMSSA. Is the strict school district enforcement a new rule for the NKMSAA, or do Catholic schools get a pass on that rule since the don't have district lines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonels_Wear_Blue View Post
    Thanks for the explanation, JT33.

    As far as New Cath competing in the NKMSSA, I'm just going back and thinking...from the sounds of things the high schools in Boone County were running into issues competing in that league because they were allowing students on their teams from outside the school's district. I know Cov Cath & New Cath both used to compete in the NKMSSA. Is the strict school district enforcement a new rule for the NKMSAA, or do Catholic schools get a pass on that rule since the don't have district lines?
    You have to be enrolled in one of the parish schools that will feed to NCC in order to play for NCC if they join the NKMSAA. Nothing has changed about that rule.

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    Several years ago the Catholic schools could get any good they wanted to play in the NKMSSA as long as they belonged a parish. Then it was changed that they actually had to go to a private school to play got them.

    My guess is if they came back to the NKMSSA they would be under the same guidelines as before that they had to go to a private school to play for them.

    As far as the Boone County schools I think the hangover there is they base their teams on high school District, and not the actual middle school they go to.

    So the Ryle team has Grey and Ockerman kids. Boone has Ockerman and RA Jones, etc. instead of just have a RA Jones MS team, an Ockerman MS team, etc.

    The NKMSSA besides the private is opposite instead having a SK MS team made up of twenhofle and woodland kids. They actually draw from the specific MS not based on where the kid intends to go for HS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjs4470 View Post
    I think we are in agreement. I wasn’t claiming that Ryle was currently accepting out of area kids. I only know that that was the case in the very beginning of the program. I’m glad to see everything is working out and everyone’s football needs are being met.
    I know this thread is old now but just for clarification we never allowed non Ryle districted kids to play for the Union Raiders in the beginning years. Or anytime I am aware of. The sticking point that UR had 95% Gray Middle kids and 5% Ockerman kids was not the NKMSAA problem with the UR early on since the first season they played against/scheduled UR non conference games. The given reason that the NKMSAA did not allow the UR into the league was that our insurance was not thru the Gray Middle. There were likely other non disclosed reasons they did not want the UR in the league though too

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