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Lloyd votes to seed every year!

Dirty? Are you being serious? I completely disagree with that. And you always have to mention the student section, and how it is the worst in NKY. We are not talking about the kids, we are talking about their facilities. So whatever grudge you hold with the Lloyd kids shouldn't be brought out in this discussion.

What about Scheben Gym at Lloyd High School? Plenty of seating, good concessions, good parking, good floor.

I was speaking about Dan Penick because you stated that the Lloyd program needs some discipline. I did not say the kids wasn't good, and deserving of a DI scholarship. What is said was is that he played 17 feet from the basket and we were talking about discipline. His coach's should have made him get in the post, since this is the 9th Region and he should have scored 20+ every night. Instead his coach's let him do what he wanted to do shooting 15 foot fadeaways, and not dominating the post. They hovered around 500 playing a DIII schedule. They should have been far better than that. Kind of talking about discipline, not the player himslef. I think he will do ok at Morehead. You seem to enjoy getting on the Lloyd administration about the way kids act at these games. If it bothers you that much contact the school board or the high school and express your concern. You would rather get on this site and let the whole state of KY. know how you feel except for the people who can do anything about it. It is unfortunate that more fans don't come out, but that is the way things are sometimes. Kids are fickle when it comes to sports and if their team isn't so hot, they aren't coming. Hopefully that will change soon.

In reading many of your posts you seem not to be a big Lloyd fan, which is ok. You talk about the players not being disciplined, but you are a Ludlow guy and you had a 6'9" guy playing 17 feet from the basket half speed. That seems to be ok in many peoples eyes, but I don't understand it. Seems like the coach could have better control over his player and made him get in the post and actually play hard. As far as the student section goes, they are kids and they chant things sometimes that are inappropriate. If it were the Cov Cath kids chanting some of those things it would be ok. Those kids chant about beer and some other things that shouldn't be at high school games. But if Lloyd kids chanted about Beer and counted down to 420 then they would be thugs and punks. Figure that one out let me know.

I think both the Code's are terrific! I didn't mention either one of them because they are probably pleased with their current situation. Maybe not Scott as much as Mike, but I think he will get his day, he just may not want it to be at Lloyd.

What you said isn't mean at all. They were overmatched in all areas. That is why I think he did a nice job, because they had no business being in some of those games. Due to the house cleaning that took place with kids who didn't want to be there, they literally moved the whole Freshman team up to play JV. I hope it is a move that 2-3 years down the line it will pay off for that freshman group. They may not be world beaters, but will have that toughness to compete, and grind some wins out.

If he puts the effort in coaching as he did as a player, The Juggs will be in pretty good shape:thumb:

From what I have seen, yes I do. Let's put it this way. Did you see any of the JV games this year? He didn't have a JV team he had an average Freshman team playing JV. Some of the games I saw they were somewhat competitive, and the most important thing, they didn't quit. When I say quit, i mean leaving the team. Considering the circumstances, I think he and Brauch held things together for those younger kids. Lutz has a good rapport with the kids, and they respect what he is trying to do for them. It says a lot for him as a coach wanting to take this job and try and make things right, considering he sees that the cupboard is empty for a few years. It's how things work when a person is loyal to a program. He has paid his dues as the JV coach, and he deserves the opportunity to get the whole program to become successful. Everyone knows that as the JV coach you don't have the final say on how things are going to run. The administration has to evaluate him during the interview, and how he conducts himself in the classroom to determine if he has the leadership skills to get this job done. You've got to give the guy a chance or they may lose him altogether.

OOOOHHHH!!! Well if you put it that way, there may not be any coach that can help you with that:laugh:

I agree with Grayson, he had a few more people in his Junior season than his senior season. With Kinney I think that happened more for him as a Senior because they had another kid who could handle the ball. He tried to do too much in certain situations, but with Evans and Grayson he tried to do what he was supposed to do and get those guys the ball. In regards to them under achieving, how many close games did they lose because of turnovers down the stretch. That team should've played in the region no question, but Michael Romes had something to do with them not getting there. If I'm not mistaken, Beechwood played CCH in the 1st round of the Region that year. So the Juggs Dream run probably ends there.

Everyone except 1 middle school coach. Maybe if they hire within, they can make a spot for you:thumb:

I agree with the football thing. But they also weren't losing by 60 points in the 90's, simply because they were more talented. They were competitive with those other teams. I remember that era as well, and boy it kind of goes back to the talent thing the 3 guys you mentioned were pretty good players. They made 1 run their Senior year. But to compare the recent talent to those guys, simply isn't fair. Grayson and Kinney couldn't guard Sheffied together. The coaches you mentioned, a couple have gone on to have good careers. Also 4 of those 5 are Lloyd alumni, if I'm not mistaken. They wanted to build up the program that they played for. I mentioed in a previous post that the last 3 coaches weren't Lloyd people. How long did they last? 3 years 2 and 3. then got out. That could happen again if they get someone who isn't familiar with the program and who understands that it is going to be a process to make it successful again. The middle school program is in a league that they shouldn't be in. They compete with all the Boone and Kenton County schools, and those schools just have more to choose from. There has been a lot of growth in both counties giving those schools many more students and that has carried over in athletics. Every few years Tichenor has a team that competes in that league. The other years they get drilled. If I won 10 games over a 3 year middle school career I probably wouldn't want to play in high school either.

Unfortunately that reputation has been tagged to Lloyd, but I don't think it just has to do with basketball. That type of thing starts in the community and at home. If they need a stong injection of new blood, that would mean they need it at all levels in all sports wouldn't it? LHS isn't what it used to be and it hoops they need one of their own to restore that Juggernaut pride! Apparently Gametime didn't completely agree with what was said earlier, care to elaborate? ESPNGUY, who else beside Charles Kinney on that team could have been considered a top player in the region? I agree they under achieved to an extent, but they weren't a threat for a real strong region. They should've have been in the region tournament at least. How would you have used Charles Kinney?

They have a had 1 legit contender in football since the 1996 team. Everyone gives them credit for being good in football, but look at the district they play in. When they play Beechwood, Dixie, NCC they get throttled. The fact of the matter is the talent level at Lloyd has just diminished. Baseball, Football, and Basketball haven't been very good. I wouldn't say it has been the basketball coach's fault that the other sports can't win. The administration needs to evaluate the overall picture before saying a coach from within the program can't succeed here. It's going to be the right guy who can make it work at Lloyd. It doesn't matter if it is someone from within or from the outside. An individual has to understand what they are dealing with here in regards to talent, then play to those kids strengths!