I have 3 teenagers. I have whipped all of them at one time or another. Sometimes all 3 at once. Now it is take the car, the playstation, or cell phone. And occasionally they still will get a smack on the... I do not agree w/ child abuse. If I have gave them a chore to do and it is not done right, they do it again. For us women, if we didn't get the dishes clean the first time, how many heard you'll clean every dish in the house? My dad never had to punish us, we knew with the look or the tone of voice. Mom, on the other hand, had 4 to care for 24/7. I got what I deserved. And I did what I was told!!!