Reds and Dodgers Agreed to a “Significant trade”

Page 4 of Per sources, the deal will be: To CIN: Kemp, Wood, Puig To LAD: Bailey, RHP Josiah Gray, INF Jeter Downs. Still more coming out about this.... 60 comments | 3170 Views | Go to page 1 →

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Anthony View Post
    Only Kemp is under contract after this year though.
    That's untrue. All 3 are free agents after 2019.
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    Salary data for consideration:

    ACQUIRED
    Kemp - owed $21.75 in 2019 ($3.5 paid by SD but not sure how that washes with the cash the Reds got); FA in 2020

    Puig - ARB3 in 2019 (~$11M expected); FA in 2020

    Wood - ARB3 in 2019 (~$9M expected); FA in 2020

    Farmer - only has 0.129 service time; if he stays up w/ Reds, would be FA in 2025

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    Bailey - owed $23M + anticipated $5M buyout in 2020

    1 top 10 and 1 top 15 prospect

    TOTAL: +$5M ($40M salary taken on less $7M from Dodgers less $28 owed Bailey) in 2019 and likely just a prospect and compensation for 3 FAs walking in 2020.

    However, for that +$5M, you pick up an everyday starter, a platoon player and a solid starter and lose, at best, a middle reliever with a bad attitude and bad history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00Rocket28 View Post
    I stand corrected. That should definitely make Cincinnati more appealing than LA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00Rocket28 View Post
    Maybe. He’s a head case. I can’t imagine he will be happy playing for the Reds.
    Quote Originally Posted by LRCW View Post
    He’s reunited with his battting coach with whom he has a great relationship.
    Also he gets to bat around Suarez/Votto/Winker and possibly Senzel who all get on base a lot in a more hitter friendly park. My guess is he’s thrilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HammerTime View Post
    Also he gets to bat around Suarez/Votto/Winker and possibly Senzel who all get on base a lot in a more hitter friendly park. My guess is he’s thrilled.
    He was hitting in a better lineup in LA but the increase in homers should definitely help increase his value when he hits the open market after next season. Just curious, where does this leave Senzel for next season? It appears a supersub is the only open spot for him. Maybe traded for Bauer, Syndergaard, Bumgarner or Kluber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AverageJoesGym View Post
    He was hitting in a better lineup in LA but the increase in homers should definitely help increase his value when he hits the open market after next season. Just curious, where does this leave Senzel for next season? It appears a supersub is the only open spot for him. Maybe traded for Bauer, Syndergaard, Bumgarner or Kluber?
    Little or no value to Senzel unless he's getting regular ABs and playing time. Coming off an injury and the fact that he was not "can't miss" before the injury, you proceed with caution there. If he doesn't come up in 2019, there will be plenty of room in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AverageJoesGym View Post
    He was hitting in a better lineup in LA but the increase in homers should definitely help increase his value when he hits the open market after next season. Just curious, where does this leave Senzel for next season? It appears a supersub is the only open spot for him. Maybe traded for Bauer, Syndergaard, Bumgarner or Kluber?
    Maybe CF or 2B depending on Schebler or Scooter being invlodes in a trade. Or like you said being invloded in one himself which I don’t see that happening. CF would likely only be for one year anyway so if he can be serviceable in ST there that would be ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HammerTime View Post
    Maybe CF or 2B depending on Schebler or Scooter being invlodes in a trade. Or like you said being invloded in one himself which I don’t see that happening. CF would likely only be for one year anyway so if he can be serviceable in ST there that would be ideal.
    But they have to add a number one starter for this deal to make sense. Otherwise all they've done is moved from 5th place to 4th place at the cost of 2 good prospects. Sure, the deal will sell some tickets and make them more competitive but it doesn't come close to making them a playoff team. Hopefully it is the first of a couple of big moves.

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    I hope the Reds do not let Scott Schebler get in the way of playing time for Senzel. Schebler is the one who should be in the role of super sub if Senzel is healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AverageJoesGym View Post
    But they have to add a number one starter for this deal to make sense. Otherwise all they've done is moved from 5th place to 4th place at the cost of 2 good prospects. Sure, the deal will sell some tickets and make them more competitive but it doesn't come close to making them a playoff team. Hopefully it is the first of a couple of big moves.
    In general, I would trade prospects for proven major leaguers all day long. Here is a link to the Red's top prospects in 2015:

    MLB.com 215 Prospect Watch | MLB.com

    The only two on the list that have turned into quality major leaguers are Peraza and Winker. We still don't know for sure how good Winker will be for how long because of injuries and poor defense. Peraza really wasn't a Reds farm system product so we can throw him out of this discussion. Besides those two, anyone who looks at the list would trade any of the other 28 on that list today, four years later, for a definite proven MLB starting player. Of course there are exceptions with the "no doubt" top tier prospects, but generally trading prospects that are still two years of more away from the majors doesn't bother me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AverageJoesGym View Post
    But they have to add a number one starter for this deal to make sense. Otherwise all they've done is moved from 5th place to 4th place at the cost of 2 good prospects. Sure, the deal will sell some tickets and make them more competitive but it doesn't come close to making them a playoff team. Hopefully it is the first of a couple of big moves.
    Hopefully so, if it doesn’t workout they can likely trade them at the deadline and basically be right back where they were.

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    I wonder if they try to glue it all together with a Francisco Liriano and see if it holds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HammerTime View Post
    Hopefully so, if it doesn’t workout they can likely trade them at the deadline and basically be right back where they were.
    That was my thoughts as well. Also, if they do contend looking enough not to flip them at the deadline it will probably be safe to give Puig and Wood qualifying offers and get the supplemental picks if they go elsewhere. Probably can't do that with Kemp though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Anthony View Post
    I wonder if they try to glue it all together with a Francisco Liriano and see if it holds?
    That’s some bargain barrel dollar store glue.

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    Here is a list of the Reds top 20 prospects for 2019:

    Cincinnati Reds Top 2 prospects for 219 - Minor League Ball

    In this list, the Reds have two elite prospects: Senzel and Hunter Greene.

    There are 8 good prospects, which the author says are players with a chance to have successful careers in the majors. Downs and Gray are both in this group of 8, listed as the #8 and #10 Reds prospects.

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